Questionable Breeder

cocoandjane · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:08 am Post subject:

OK, OK, OK!!! What a great thread....I can't stay and finish reading....
been interupted.....I'll be back! Good info, sad situations, but should be read by all.....

I have questions, I'll be back!
Rolling Eyes

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cocoandjane · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject:

Well, all my "OK's" may have seemed like a bad reaction to the discussion, or something....NOT at all!! I was interupted and my OK,OK,OK...was really directed towards those calling me away from the computer! Sorry!

Anyway, I really wonder how often there are bad experiences for folks out there having purchased a puppy from a website?
I know of breeders that really sell most of their dogs via the net....and are very good breeders with happy customers.
I hate that bad ones don't seem to be subject to scrutiny
by some sort of authority~if there are complaints against them....surely there are repercussions in place somewhere.....

If an unhealthy puppy were to be picked up at the airport, couldn't I notify somebody of this immediately? It worries me that if I were to ship a new puppy to a buyer and on that flight there was someone else's sick puppy....without even one immunization for sure done, eeeek then all my hard work to insure my buyers get a healthy pup could be sabotaged.
mtd stated, I think, that pups must be at least 8 weeks old. What sort of documentation is necessary at the airport to prove the age....and why did one get sent that was only 7 weeks???? Or how did they pull that off.....how did you know that it was only 7 weeks.....
Seems that to have had all their shots or at least three in the series should be required...meaning they would have to be a little older than 9 weeks??? Doesn't that insure greater chance for immunity to, at least, those diseases?

I agree if you can't get a breeder to communicate with you within a reasonable amount of time....it may be best to go with another breeder. No one answered the Better Business Bureau question.....and
I would like to know what if anything the AALA, ILA might be able to do having received a report about an experience like this with a certain breeder. Do they follow up on stuff like this?

OK, OK, OK, I'll quit!! Any input, or comments???
Yes, I will go with my gut, always.....but I like " answers/reasons/info!"
Guess that's why I appreciate threads like this one.
thanks Lori, for your research and advice...Jac and Maureen, too!
moviestar, amy, and all of you!! I learned a lot.....I am posting a poll.
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MaxandMe · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:10 pm Post subject:

i have a question regarding shipping ...dont' you have to provide papers such as health certificate via vet who would have to have noted the DOB along with vaccinations and such?

and don't many breeders require you to bring a puppy within a 3-5 day period to be VET Checked in order to keep a validated heath warranty/guarantee?
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lmtoth2 · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:19 pm Post subject:

I think it's very scary for a potential buyer to know if a breeder is good or not. When we were looking for our first puppy, we had not found this forum yet and were definitely not willing to buy a puppy w/o seeing the location. We stumbled upon Dexter, asked a few questions and put down a deposit. They we got worried about what if the place was sketchy...we determined if we went there and the place looked bad we hadn't put that much money down and could back out. We were happy to find a nice looking house, an adorable puppy and a very nice breeer. We also met Dex's parents and were at ease.

Now being a member of this forum - If we were looking for a puppy, I would be much more willing to purchase from someone here and have a puppy shipped...
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dixiedi · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject:

I think the laws about obtaining a health certificate should be stricter. I'm not sure what needs to be done, but something. There are too many sick puppies being delivered that should have never been given a clean bill of health.

I know the IALA/ALAA has a process they go thru when they get a complaint on a breeder. I love the IALA and all they stand for, they have a great group of people working their tails off for the betterment of the breed and I thoroughly enjoyed being a part of that organization.

Oh yeah, thanks for the kind words Lynn Wink

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minidoodles · New User Joined: 20 Oct 2007 Posts: 2

if a breeder belongs to the alaa or the alca, they have had to show proof of the dogs testing in order to be listed on the alaa or alca website. you can go there and be assured those breeders have tested their dogs. you can also go to the ofa site, or the cerf site and plug in a dogs name and see the results of the testing. hope that helps, helen from A Walk in the Park Labradoodles

Maureen · Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject:

You are right, Diane, exams should be stricter, but I don't think there really is a way to do that. In fact I think there are even breeders who sign off their own vet certificates...who or how could anyone check for that? no way.

There are also laws protecting people from slander and someone hindering their ability to do business and that is why most 'bad news' isn't shared in a forum or an email because civil suits can follow. BUT someone can say they had a bad experience and speak of their experience, I believe. Whether or not this forum wants to allow that is another issue, since it is bought and paid for by its owners.

I had someone just 2hrs from here wanting references so I requested that someone who lives 20min. from him contact him for their experience with us. Likewise, I have willing Doodle families whom I have never met who will (thankfully) be willing to speak for us and for their long distance experience. Hands down, having willing references is the BEST way to work! I love that and appreciate that help more than the Doodle families might ever know.

But that is in addition to a breeder being able to prove upon request, the documentation of DNA and x-ray testings and screenings that they have sponsored on their dogs. Breeders change their breeding stock for whatever reason and I don't think that ANY organization can keep up with the changes breeders make unless a breeder is willing to use the honor system and keep themselves current with the Premium, or registration lists. I'm only posting about that because it hit me this week that I have to update the Premium Listing I belong to ( www.goldendoodles-labradoodles.org ) , concerning one dog we spayed and another dog we have added!

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MaxandMe · Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:45 pm Post subject:

Maureen the link you posted isnt' working? is it correct as i'd love to visit it.
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annabelles mom · Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject:

Maureen · Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:09 pm Post subject:

well SHOOT!!!

thanks, Mary, that's it.
http://www.goldendoodle-labradoodle.org/breeder-directory.html

You can poke around there and find out what each breeder has to produce in hard copies to get on the list as a Premium Breeder. It's the same for everyone, based on what is a potential problem for Goldens and Goldendoodles, Labs, Poodles for Labradoodles. It's great. And I do need to send in Copper's testing now that she's one of ours!

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MaxandMe · Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 8:38 pm Post subject:

thanks for the link both of you........i know this site but forgot where i had saved it. Rolling Eyes

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dgeggis · Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject:

I too thank you for the link.
I was please to see the breeder of my future puppy listed here.
Very Happy

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mtd885 · Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:50 am Post subject:

Well since my post was deleted I'll provide the name of the Canadian Puppy MILL listed as a PREMIER BREEDER via pm since the Bambi rule applies here. It REALLY TICKS ME OFF those people can change their name and continue operating and be protected by the moderators of this board. There is no BBB in Guelph Ontario, I looked The ILA did not answer my requests. And now when I see her advertised as a Premium Breeder and am chastised for pointing it out --well I better go back to flyfishing forums before I say something awful...mtd
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dixiedi · Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:21 am Post subject:

I am sorry you feel the way you do. I wholeheartedly agree with you that these people need to be brought to the forefront but this forum is not the place to do it. Please read the rules and regulations, I am just trying to uphold my obligation to try to keep this board from becoming a free for all and to keep it freindly. I had hoped you would understand.
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mtd885 · Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:33 am Post subject:

OK HERE'S THE EDITED VERSION

Please share this with all the breeders you know;
Can you tell I'm mad as hell this woman is listed as a PREMIUM BREEDER I could SPIT I'M SO MAD

To Labradoodle-Goldendoodle.com

I am SHOCKED that you are listing a particular breeder on your website. If advertising Puppy Mills is your goal then I'll not say another word. I received a puppy from Rachael in November 2007.
1- I was lied t about the exchange rate and over charged me not only for the dog but for the shipping too!!!
2- the health certificate was for a 7 week old dog- she shipped me a 12 week old dog (perhaps to hide the fact the dog did NOT have vaccinations up to date for a 12wk old.
3-the dog had ear mites in both ears with secondary infections that stunk really bad
4-the dog had bilateral conjunctivitis
5-the dog's coat was filthy matted and stunk
6-she's failed to honor her health guarantee and address my complaints
7- dog was not spayed
8-the dog was not given proper vaccinations for age
9-I was assured the dog was suitable for therapy work--REMAINS TO BE SEEN this puppy is so timid as to make me feel she was raised in poor conditions.

I have raised and trained Golden Retrievers and am not a novice to dogs. I'll be happy to supply a letter from my Vet as to the condition she was in when she arrived.

I have lost over $600 in Vet bills over this transaction not to mention my cat coming down with the same requiring MORE expense. I feel this woman broke the law by shipping an animal with communicable diseases.
When I notified her of my concerns I stopped hearing from her and her Mother . They refuse to honor their health guarantee...Michael Hallandale Florida

PLEASE feel free to PM for this breeders name/info in order to avoid going through anything like i and my doodle has to-date. Cool

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