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River Rat Senior Member

Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 913 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:15 am Post subject: Ear Mites |
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I've been waging war with something in Chouette's left ear since September. Right before we left for France I noticed that it had a strong unpleasant odor and a dark substance in the canal and outer ear. I cleaned it out and told the dog sitter about it, and she said she'd treat it with a preparation she uses for her beagles. When we picked Chou up on our return she smelled awful, and I realized it was that ear. So I cleaned it out again with peroxide. Taking her to be groomed at Petsmart didn't resolve the problem and when she went to be spayed the vet just cleaned her ears out and sent her home with some prednisone.
Recently a friend who's a retired veterinarian got a look at her and said she had mites. Before he saw her he had assumed it was a fungal infection and advised me to swab her ears out with alcohol three or four times over a period of a week or so. According to Ernie, alcohol kills the majority of the fungi which attack dogs' ears. If that didn't take care of it he recommended the use of vinegar, since that kills those fungi that aren't affected by alcohol. But nothing worked and poor Chouette started trying to hide when she saw the cotton balls appear.
Finally I picked up a pyrethrin-based treatment at Petsmart and for the first time we seemed to be getting somewhere. Chouette's ears smelled fine for longer and longer intervals. Still, I hated to use pyrethrin on my puppy!
When I took her to for her haircut on Tuesday the groomer suggested using a preparation with boric acid for ear mites. She doesn't like pyrethrins either. So I found one at the feed store which had presoaked wipes, but I wasn't sure that this would do the trick. Once I got home I did a google search for "boric acid ear mites." This is what I came up with:
http://www.liquidvitaminstop.com/pp/Earasil.htm
and from http://www.backwoodshome.com/forum/yabb/forum.pl?board=fau-pets;action=display;num=1163507186
| Quote: | In a small glass, pour a small amount of rubbing alcohol, enough to fill a dropper several times. Add a small amount of boric acid (1/2 tsp.) and stir. Let the extra boric acid settle to the bottom and draw off the clear liquid. Put a few drops in each ear and the mites will disappear..
Try it in your own ears.. It feels really good! |
Reading the rest of the comments on that page, it sounds like a great solution and avoids toxins, to boot!
Any of you experiencing ear problems might want to try this course of action: you can do the alcohol and vinegar trials and then the boric acid if they don't do the trick.
Sure wish I'd seen that months ago!
Leslie _________________ *\Portraits http://www.leslieficcaglia.org *\
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mtd885 Senior Member

Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 819 Location: FLORIDA/San Francisco Ca
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:18 am Post subject: |
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Abby arrived with a Nasty case in both ears--poor thing. She really stunk too! The vet I have been using Rx Tresaderm with cleansing 3x a week. It's just Neomiacin sulfate We treated dr katz as well since the mites love cats too. It might be prudent to do the same if you have other pets in contact. A groomer friend also suggested trimmimg the hair at the base of the ear to allow more air flow to the ear. The Vet assistant picked the hair out of the ear as well. These are all things I will do at home and save the $$ Vet bill should they return. I've been thinking of posting Abby's arrival video (mites are discussed--lol) but first I have to ask my wife if it's ok. She might not want to be seen on screen without makeup Like she still has her SAG card or sumthin  _________________ mtd/renee/abby/dr katz
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River Rat Senior Member

Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 913 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:30 am Post subject: |
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I'm surprised that Neomycin is prescribed to treat mites! But we did all the rest - cleaned her ears out, trimmed her hair short around the ears - you name it. Nothing helped until I used the pyrethrin, but I hated to apply it to such a young animal - or any animal, really - and I didn't like getting it on my skin, either. We used to use it on our organic garden but I've heard so many negative things about it that now we only take it out when nothing else works. So I was glad to hear of a less toxic solution.
Leslie _________________ *\Portraits http://www.leslieficcaglia.org *\
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mtd885 Senior Member

Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 819 Location: FLORIDA/San Francisco Ca
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| River Rat wrote: | I'm surprised that Neomycin is prescribed to treat mites! But we did all the rest - cleaned her ears out, trimmed her hair short around the ears - you name it. Nothing helped until I used the pyrethrin, but I hated to apply it to such a young animal - or any animal, really - and I didn't like getting it on my skin, either. We used to use it on our organic garden but I've heard so many negative things about it that now we only take it out when nothing else works. So I was glad to hear of a less toxic solution.
Leslie |
Ooops my bad the Neomiacin was to treat the secondary infection which is what caused the odor. She did use a pesticide prior to that...sorry! _________________ mtd/renee/abby/dr katz
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SadieFern Senior Member

Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 416 Location: Indiana, USA
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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I am telling anyone who will listen...this WORKS! I noticed a change in Sadie's ears in 1-2 days! It can be a pain to get the violet and boric acid...you have to ask the pharmacist for it. It stains. Do it outside. It works. I can't say it enough!!!!! I warm it up beforehand. Sadie enjoys the warmness of it and doesn't fight it at all.
http://www.dogbiz.com/faq-ear-infections.htm _________________ ~Julie~ Mom to three kids and two furbabies!
Sadie is a labradoodle, born 10/07, Jonas is a cockapoo born 6/08. |
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River Rat Senior Member

Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 913 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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I'm going to try just the boric acid and alcohol, as the site I quoted suggested. The Earasil does have gentian violet in it, too, I think, but if it works without it I'd be glad to avoid the mess. I'll let you know how it works.
It's great that you found a solution for Sadie!
Leslie _________________ *\Portraits http://www.leslieficcaglia.org *\
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River Rat Senior Member

Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 913 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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Because I don't want to use any more strong poisons if I can avoid it. I had to give Chouette another dose of Frontline this week because the groomer found a few dead fleas and wasn't sure there weren't some live ones lurking in the thickets of her fur. And I've been using the pyrethrin-based ear drops, which have obviously helped, but I don't like them much either. So if boric acid and alcohol can do the trick I'll go for it. Or else I could try adding gentian violet if I can find that, or ordering that Earisil on line which includes both boric acid and gentian violet. I've been playing around with the mites for so long that a little longer won't hurt her.
Leslie _________________ *\Portraits http://www.leslieficcaglia.org *\
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Cinsmom Senior Member

Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 2033 Location: KC area
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Frontline will keep on working for 3 months on fleas. It's ticks you have to apply it every month for. I hope you didn't panic on that one and gave it too soon.
It probably won't hurt her, but I too hate to put too many chemicals in my "baby". |
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mtd885 Senior Member

Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 819 Location: FLORIDA/San Francisco Ca
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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It probably won't hurt her, but I too hate to put too many chemicals in my "baby".[/quote]
AMEN to that  _________________ mtd/renee/abby/dr katz
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River Rat Senior Member

Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 913 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Cinsmom wrote: | Frontline will keep on working for 3 months on fleas. It's ticks you have to apply it every month for. I hope you didn't panic on that one and gave it too soon.
It probably won't hurt her, but I too hate to put too many chemicals in my "baby". |
I wasn't sure that I had applied the right amount when I gave it to her two months ago, so I figured that if there were still fleas I'd try again. This time I got a package with the correct dose for her size; last time I used two 22 lb. doses and it was kind of messy so I don't think I got it all on her. You're right - I should have waited a month, though.
Leslie _________________ *\Portraits http://www.leslieficcaglia.org *\
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jstuenkel Junior Member
Joined: 28 Nov 2006 Posts: 54 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Julie--I also use the Gentian Violet, boric acid, alcohol mixture. Does wonders!!! Our Golden Retreiver had a horrible time with infections=---not any more. _________________ Jerrie |
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River Rat Senior Member

Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 913 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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I have been using the boric acid and alcohol treatment on Chouette and she is still having problems. It's not as bad, but I have to reapply it every few days and she hates it. Maybe I should warm the alcohol up before I administer it, but she keeps shaking her head afterwards and seems miserable.
I just ordered the product that includes boric acid, gentian violet and alcohol and when it comes I'll see if it works any better. Maybe I'm not administering the boric acid and alcohol solution often enough? When it worked for you, how often did you use it before you got results?
Leslie _________________ *\Portraits http://www.leslieficcaglia.org *\
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annabelles mom Senior Member

Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 5542 Location: Bristol, TN
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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she might be shaking for 2 reasons - liquid in her ears and alcohol will burn on irritated skin _________________
Mary & Annabelle
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annabelles mom Senior Member

Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 5542 Location: Bristol, TN
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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one of our labs had probs with earmites, got med from Vet but I cant remember what it was, but it worked great - have you checked to see what your Vet has to offer? _________________
Mary & Annabelle
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River Rat Senior Member

Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 913 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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I already tried a pyrethrin-based product, but if I can use something that's more natural I would much rather. A lot of organic gardeners are warning about pyrethrins as pesticides; they're apparently not as benign as was once thought.
Leslie _________________ *\Portraits http://www.leslieficcaglia.org *\
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