early desexing of australian doodles

newaustralianlab · Junior Member Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 37

Dogs that are 4 months old or even less are getting de-sexed so they can be sold at 9-11 weeks already desexed. Any known negative effects such as incontinence (especially females)?

Doodlesville · Senior Member Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 1893 Location: VA

yes , there can be problems
incontinance and potential of bone cancers
that why i dont do ESN
not to mention the anesthetic and surgical risk
I will try to find the links that helped me come to this decision if i get a few later
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gracielou · Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:52 am Post subject:

Well not going to get in to a debate this is just my opinion.

They have been doing early spay/neuters in the shelters for years and years most people just don't realize that.

2nd for every person you find that disagrees with it, you can find someone that is for it so just keep that in mind. That is the way of the world with everything, we are all not going to agree on every issue whether it be this one or shipping, or vaccinations, etc.
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Doodlesville · Senior Member Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 1893 Location: VA

I was not argueing with you are anyone else,
I have stated the truth as i know it
and has been proven to me over 30yrs in dog breeding,
these are not shelter dogs we are talking about ,,these are family pets that people purchase and if there is a potential risks as a result of a certain procedure, i do not feel we should take a chance that this could cause problems later in life,
I appreciate your insight, not sure why you would feel a need to say it
I have as much right to state my opinion and observations as anyone, i hope
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Aussiedoodles, Goldendoodles &
F1/F1B Labradoodles,

Breeding only Early Generation Doodles!
Keeping the Original Goals for this breed First!!
We do NOT Breed Australian Labradoodles!!

JettsMom · Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject:

There are risks associated with a spay/neuter regardless of the age.

My Copper was an early S/N. He is doing great!

On the other hand, my sweet Gracie, Golden Retriever puppy (4/5 mo), died on the table during her spay.
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Doodlesville · Senior Member Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 1893 Location: VA

Oh Vicki,Im sooo very sorry Crying or Very sad

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Aussiedoodles, Goldendoodles &
F1/F1B Labradoodles,

Breeding only Early Generation Doodles!
Keeping the Original Goals for this breed First!!
We do NOT Breed Australian Labradoodles!!

blueteal · Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject:

Ahhhhhhhhhhh Vicky
So sorry for your loss.
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cocoandjane · Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:32 pm Post subject:

Was there a discernable reason why she died??? A reaction to the anesthetic?
Oh my, I am so sorry! I can't imagine how awful that must have been!!

It scares me a little, as I have an appt for Coco end of November.....
She will be a year old by then.....we had thought about breeding her, but decided not to.

Again, I am sorry for your loss.
Crying or Very sad

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annabelles mom · Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:45 pm Post subject:

vicky I'm sorry you lost Gracie Sad

we've had all our girls spayed between 5 and 6 months before first heat
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JettsMom · Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:10 am Post subject:

Nancy, Jane, Sue, and Mary, Thank you for your words of comfort. It has been over five years now, but at times it seems like yesterday. It was an awful day and it took me a long time, and medicine, to recover.

Jane, please don't be nervous about getting Cocoa spayed. The only reason I even mentioned Grace in this thread was to show that the risks are real no matter what the age of the pup. Grace had made it through the surgery but her heart stopped while she was being awakened.

Anyway, here is a picture of my Amazing Gracie Girl. November 5, 2001 - March 8, 2002.

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lmtoth2 · Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:53 am Post subject:

Vicky that is so sad - I'm so sorry for your loss.

I guess it's like anything...I mean there is probably a 1 or 2% chance (I'm making those numbers up) of something going wrong during any "routine" surgery...
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MaxandMe · Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:35 am Post subject:

I'd say early spay/neuter is probably just like the same arguments (in principle) regarding circumcision

I 'd say it's a personal choice as to when with PROS and CONS no matter the age

Jettsmom...i am soooooooo sorry to hear about Gracie
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annabelles mom · Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:01 pm Post subject:

Vicky she was a sweet looking girl
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Maureen · Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:07 pm Post subject:

Vicky, your Gracie was a beautiful girl!
It also sheds light on what you went thru with Jett and getting her to a place of health, too. Very Happy

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Calimom · Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:06 pm Post subject:

Oh Vicky, that breaks my heart to read about Gracie. Big hugs.
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