American Labradoodle vs Australian Labradoodle

Jorja'smom

Besides the price are there really any big differences?
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lisarundell · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:51 am Post subject:

Marty, I love the avatar! I know that the original mix of breeds is different, but there are others here more well qualified to answer your question. I just can't wait to see photos! Laughing

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gracielou · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:58 am Post subject:

I guess the biggest difference if there really is one is that they did infuse a few other breeds into the Australian lines. The problem with that is they weren't honest about a lot of it and did not keep good records so when we look at some of those lines we don't know exactly what we have.

I think the US breeders that are taking Australian and American lines and creating new ones are on the right track, as long as we test and test.
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Maureen · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:08 am Post subject:

I think Linda has about covered it...there have been 5 or 6 breeds, that I can recall, that have been infused or tried in the Australian Labradoodles. Most prominently, and still being used, by Australian "founders" is the Cocker Spaniel, or Cockapoo, or both.

Linda, wouldn't it be so interesting to test some of the Australian lines with that new DNA test to see how much Labrador is actually in so many of the Australian dogs?

The really good news is that for a lot of those new bloodlines that are being created their breeders have used f1b Doodles to bring in new bloodlines and more genetic diversity. Also many or most of the American breeders of Australian Labradoodles actually do follow through when they have health issues with their pups and their clients.
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Paintsmeblue · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:46 am Post subject:

Some lines of the Australian Labradoodles have infused other breeds into them. But some do not. Napa is an Australian Labradoodle, a 4th generation, and I have the pedigree that came with him, but I also did some other research. As far back as I could go, he's purely lab and poodle.

I don't have an F1b, so I couldn't comment on the difference. I just know Napa. If you have any specific questions, I would love to answer them! I am very happy with my decision to go with an Australian, but I don't honestly know if I would have been just as happy with an F1b. But feel free to ask questions! I'm more than happy to blab about him!

Maureen · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:58 am Post subject:

hey Kristen, if Napa is purely Labrador and Poodle, then what makes him an Australian Labradoodle?

My understanding is that the deifinition of an Aussie-type of Doodle is that there are multiple breeds in them

Paintsmeblue · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:41 am Post subject:

His lines come directly from Tegan Park and Rutland Manor. So he is an Australian Multi-generation Labradoodle.

It's also the misconception of infusing. They have kept the lines separated. They are monitoring the infusion and keeping them straight. They are infusing breeds to improve coat, bone structure, temperament, and health. The breeding of Australian Labradoodles are also closely monitored. They are waiting to see how the infusing affects future generations before they commit to the infusion.

So, if you don't want an infused labradoodle, ask for the pedigree- which typically only goes back a few generations, but many breeders have pedigrees online, so you can do your own research.

Maureen · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:48 am Post subject:

hold on here....you just said they are infusing breeds and monitoring those infusions.

Help me remember, which breeder did Napa come from? I might know them, and there are some great ones, with really great Doodles, but most reputable Australian Doodle breeders - all the breeders I'm aware of - will admit there ARE other breeds besides Labrador and Poodle in their TP or RM dogs.

What Labrador Retriever(s) are in your Napa's pedigree? Which Poodles?
Maybe others have the same lines in their Doodles.

Paintsmeblue · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:16 am Post subject:

I'm really not going to get into this argument again. But I have a pedigree here with 5 generations on it, and all that's present are labradoodles and poodles. So, even if there was an infusing 6 generations ago, its not present now. But I'm running late for class, and will do my search tonight, again. So I'll get a better answer for you tonight.

KingstonTodd · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:32 am Post subject:

Jac · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:59 am Post subject:

It was always my understanding that an Australian Labradoodle came from the Australian lines and I always heard/assumed they were infused with at least 6 other breeds...sounds like that information may not be correct, judging from Napa's line. I know of Napa's breeder, she is a good and reputable one.
Also, my understanding, was that the difference in US and Australian doodles was that US breeders only used Lab X Poodle, but that is also changing.
Many US breeders are getting Australian breeding stock and crossing their US dogs, some F1s and others are higher.
So, as in all things, I think that changes are bound to happen...and I think that the biggest source of confusion was the change of the name from ILA (International Labradoodle Association) to ALAA (Australian Labradoodle Association of America...I think.) But when that happened, or perhaps before, the members voted to officially honor Australia as the "birthplace" of Labradoodles and include Australian Labradoodle titles into all of the breeds. Big mistake, I think...but it is done. So, now, people are calling F1s Australian Labradoodles and anything higher they are calling Australian Multigens...which, in my opinion, is very misleading.
Still, as in Kristen's case, if the pedigree traces back to the original Australian lines, it should be an Australian Labradoodle.
That being said, I am not a die-hard pedigree person. I much prefer DNA matching. I think that if people were being honest about their pedigrees, they should favor a DNA data base with their lineage provided to the public. (This comes from my Poodle line, not my Labradoodles, just to be clear.) Wink

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Maureen · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject:

ellabee · Senior Member Joined: 09 Mar 2007 Posts: 1551 Location: NJ

I'm just jumping in here with my understanding; and someone please correct me if I'm wrong:

I was under the impression that years ago, the infusion of other breeds was thrown into the mix, in order to establish a kind of 'breeding base'; and the result are the pedigree Doodles you have today.

If this occurred 6, 7, 8, generations ago.....1) would it still not be correct to say that all Australian Labradoodles have this infusion?? And 2) How far removed does the infusion have to be in order for it to not be influential anymore? Like, if it's there, it's there, right??

I'm not a proponent of one generation over another....Dex is an ALF2; but I could have and would have just as easily gotten an earlier cross had the opportunity unfolded that way.
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Jorja'smom · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject:

Thank you all for your replies. Seems there is much more to the distinction of the two then I originally thought. The Australian doodles seem to be so much more expensive which surprises me since they are more then just labs and poodles in the line. To be honest, it sounds like it would be best to have the American doodle. Are the Australian doodles mixed with a Cocker Spaniel to make them smaller?

I'm spending more time trying to find a doodle but it's so much fun looking at all the puppies online. Now, if only I could get a whiff of puppy breath from my computer I'd be one happy doodle momma. Laughing

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MaxandMe · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject:

Marty...congrats on getting another doodle and good luck on your search.
can't wait till when you can post pics of a new doodle puppy Very Happy

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