a question about warranties or terms

blueteal · Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:53 pm Post subject:

Looks like he deleted it Rolling Eyes

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gracielou · Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject:

Yep deleted is was, a Public Forum is not the place for disputes wrong or right. Both parties have a story and airing them in the public as much as some people enjoy that, it is not the place. I feel for anyone who has a problem whether it be the breeder or the pet owner but lets keep that between them whoever they are.
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MaxandMe · Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject:

wow...what a learning experience on the types of contracts and also legalities involved in breeding.

thanks for sharing one and all
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blueteal · Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:21 am Post subject:

gracielou · Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:26 am Post subject:

I have deleted several of the post on this thread I may have missed some and I apoligize for that.
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Maureen · Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:03 am Post subject:

I posted the original post that started the thread, and I chose BUSINESS ISSUES on purpose to discuss warranties with other breeders. An owner stepped in and started a ruckus, and I would think that the posts Linda deleted were relevant to that argument, and I support Linda deleting the mess. But I still appreciate being able to review other breeders' thoughts on replacing a dog vs. refunding the cost of that dog.

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Doodlesville · Senior Member Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 1904 Location: VA

what is your thoughts on refunds? Im still on the fence ,,although at this moment i am offering it, im not sure how fair it is
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gracielou · Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 3:22 pm Post subject:

Nancy I think it is a hard question because it really depends on each situation. I feel you just have to do what you feel is right in each case, not everyone is going to agree with your decision on each case. If we all had our way no problems would ever happen...
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annieG · Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject:

I know I am not a breeder and maybe my opinion doesn't count but as a buyer who chose not to take another doodle from the breeder when I lost my first doodle to seizures, I think it depends on the circumstances.

If it was a reputable breeder and if it was just a fluke of nature then I think offering another puppy is appropriate. In the case where there is proven neglect on part of the breeder, I think that $$ refund is called for. In my case I chose not to take a puppy and got no $$.

In the end, no matter what the contract says, I think the buyer and breeder must check each other out and trust each other. I didn't do my homework and I paid the price. I'll know better next time.
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MaxandMe · Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 3:48 pm Post subject:

I too am not a breeder and wonder about refunds. I sometimes think a 2 year guarantee is EXTREMELY GENEROUS. But understand why you would.

I am with AnnieG , i say it depends on the circumstances and it pays to do your homework
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Doodlesville · Senior Member Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 1904 Location: VA

You sure are so right there Linda
Its just no matter what ,,,,we are all breeders not god,
unfortunatly we cant predict the future no matter how much we wish we could,,
We can test till the cows come home still its all in how the genes fall, There are NO genetic markers for most things that people want to call congential or genetic, so its tottally impossible for us to predict ,,,NOT to mention what some of these people allow the pups to do once in they get them home, I sometimes feel like they think,,oh well we dont have to worry ,,we will get our money back if we let the dog do things that will injure it in the long run,,This i think gives them free reigh to not keep the pup safe,,am i making sense here?

I believe proper nutritition ,handing, protecting from over stress of bones and joints,during growth is essential when dealing with Hip/Joint issues, My vet checks joints when we do well pup check ups, extensively, if there is a Real problem we can tell then normally,,the tightness comes as they mature, and i feel and my vet agrees they are not fully mature until close to 2yrs..
you take on a puppy ..you take all responsibilities that go with it,,just like a child,,In fact these should be considered your child, they depend on their families for everything, including protection from themselves,
Sorry so long,,these points have just be weighing heavy on my mind
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annieG · Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:20 am Post subject:

One more thought on this....because I know the HD is a possibility in any dog, I purchased an insurance policy that would cover a good part of the cost if GFB this occured...I felt it was my responsibility as a pet owner.
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MaxandMe · Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:18 pm Post subject:

AnnieG , like you I have full coverage with peanut and max but ihave VPI insurance.

when peanut got sick, the ER visit was $260 the next day she had to stay at the vets for 3 days that cost $485 and i didn't have insurance and was asked the horrible question of..." we may do emergency surgery and it will then cost over $1000, can we do it if necessary?" I said yes but had to say i didn't have all the $$$ upfront. My vet was great saying pay in small amounts ...luckily NO surgery.

The next week i had insurance so i never have to be in that situation again. Very Happy

and i feel it is my duty to have coverage in case of any unexpected events.
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