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SnickersMom Junior Member

Joined: 05 May 2008 Posts: 19 Location: South Windsor, CT
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| LuBer wrote: | Well,so far none of the techniques I've read seem to be the right one for us.Doodles are so smart that it takes one mistake ,and after that,no way theyll listen.
..We've tried the bathroom thing..to have max destroy the moulding.
..We've tried to kennel him for time outs...he gets extreme anxiety,to the point he can't calm down when hes out,he's drooling,sweating,and tries to chew his way out.
..We've kept him thethered with a leash,to have him chew out the leash .
..We've,said a firm,Stop,No...to have him talking back at us,and running away.
..We've held him on his side,we've put a partial choke chain,not working.
..We've out of frustration tapped his nose,but this only makes his not trusting us..so not an option.
..we have a squirt bottle...which temporarily stops him in his spot,however we don't have it attached to us,so when we need it we can't find it.
I've been told to think one step ahead of him to mentally tire him..well im obviously not able to out smart the doodle..hahaha.Because he keeps outsmarting me..
So now,we are just out of ideas,and are frustrated with the dog.His nipping and biting,is too much,his jumping is endless.He is extrememly attached to me his mama,so much so when im home he is literally at my feet,and doesnt leave my side.I leave for awhile and come home to have him all over me,trying to bite me out of anger becuase i left him..
So, I would appreciate anyyyyyyyyyyyy ideas,for us ...please....
Thanks
Lu |
I can relate to this. Snickers just turned 1 year old. He is smart as can be, has always been good at "performing" - following sit, down, roll over commands, etc. However, he still has a bad habit of jumping up and nipping - more with my kids, than with me, but he still sometimes gets in a frenzy, runs circles around me, starts barking, jumping, and biting. It is ok if he has his leash on, but for instance last night, he had just finished playing with his friend Cocoa the chocolate lab in our yard - he was all riled up (with the excitement of playing). He of course was not wearing a leash, so he would not get tangled, and he started in with this frenzy. I could not catch him to save my life as he ran circles around me. I don't have enough verbal command control to get him in a sit/stay or a down/stay. That is what I'm working on now. We are currently in an obedience class, and he's doing quite well - this is probably the first time he has done the running in circles thing in over a month.
It is very frustrating. He is so good in so many ways, but THIS behavior is no good. We do a lot of NILIF, I've tried the squirt bottle, shaking pebbles in a can, etc. etc. We're just trying to continue with more consistent down/stay to get more control.
So, no solutions, but I can commiserate! _________________ Ann & Snickers |
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netsirk Senior Member

Joined: 11 May 2007 Posts: 100
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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Well, our discipline method right this minute is Kryczek in his crate
He has been free in the house while we are at work and intermittently during the morning he will get one odd thing. A sock, a mitten, a piece of paper. We growl at him and tell him "no" and the afternoon is fine. Well today it was pulling down a plant that he really has to work at getting. He pulled the pot into the living room and dug it out. So this afternoon we locked him up in the crate and took away the freedom. We will give it back on Monday, and I am hoping we are not messing up. I am not sure if he can put the two together (getting into the plant means getting "jailed").
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lmtoth2 Senior Member

Joined: 28 Nov 2006 Posts: 4927 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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Did you put him in his crate right when he pulled the pot down? If so, he probably would make the connection...otherwise I don't think he would. I have heard if you don't catch them in the act you cannot really "punish" them for it. However, you could take away freedom for now until he has proven he is mature enough to handle it How old is he? _________________ Leslie M |
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netsirk Senior Member

Joined: 11 May 2007 Posts: 100
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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He is 6 months, and we didnt' lock him up right away . DH came home to the mess. In the beginning, with the little stuff, I figured he was throwing a teeny tantrum and it wasn't a huge deal. This time it was a bigger item and more of a destruction thing. I feel guilty. Knowing he is at home right now caged, wondering why we locked him up. Ugh. I suppose it would be worse if I go home and smother him with kisses and treats?  |
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lmtoth2 Senior Member

Joined: 28 Nov 2006 Posts: 4927 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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My opinion is that 6 months is probably a bit young to have run of the house. I know some doodles here did well with total freedom early, but if he's getting into things it's the best thing you can do for him to confine him. What if he hurt himself or ate something he shouldn't...we used x-pens to confine Dex a lot as a younger puppy so he could have a bit of freedom but in a small area where he couldn't get into trouble.
Don't feel bad - you are doing what's best for him  _________________ Leslie M |
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netsirk Senior Member

Joined: 11 May 2007 Posts: 100
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| We had tried gating him in small areas, but he jumped, crawled up or wiggled out of everything. For a couple weeks we had two pressure gates up at both entrances to the kitchen that worked well. They were about 6" tall all together with one being right on top of another. Well, he managed to push the bottom one out enough and wiggle out the top of it. When we got home, he greeted us at the door and when we went to investigate the gates, they were still up technically...my only next option would be to lock him in a bathroom, but that is a very small area. |
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SnickersMom Junior Member

Joined: 05 May 2008 Posts: 19 Location: South Windsor, CT
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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Snickers just turned one, and we still crate him when we are out of the house. I work from home, so granted he does not have to be for long stretches very frequently, but I still don't trust him to stay out of trouble. He sleeps in the crate overnight as well. He is very comfortable in it. _________________ Ann & Snickers |
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blueteal Senior Member

Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 7156 Location: Richmond,British Columbia
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Denver was a terror as a puppy in the nipping, biting
and jumping phases
So he and i went to school so I could learn the proper
ways..................I tried every method listed and had a difficult time
for a while but eventually day by day and week by week he started to
just get it and now he is Mr. Perfect, end of story haha!!!!!!!!!!
Ok the real story...........
It took me weeks and what eventually worked was crossing my arms
and turning my back,everytime he would try to bite or nip or jump up, this did not happen in one day he was stubborn but so were we so we did it over and over again and for every step forward we praised and praised and then praised some more. As he matured of course the behaviour got better, but I believe the consistency and training started him on the right path. So to all of you with little puppies, keep up your great work and
go to puppy school if possible and above all be consistent and remember to praise and praise good behaviour............. _________________ Sue & Denver & Ryder
Denver Meets Ryder Today!!!!!!!!!!! |
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River Rat Senior Member

Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 922 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:24 am Post subject: |
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This has been fascinating to read and all the advice is wonderful. I especially like the NILF idea, which is somewhat like what I've heard described as "grounding." It includes not allowing your pup to precede you and making sure that you're in control as much as possible. But as Jac says, these are young dogs and, amazingly enough, with your help and persistence they do grow out of most of it. I remember when I despaired of ever housetraining Chouette, who is now a year old, because she seemed to take longer than other dogs we've had, but somewhere along the line it just disappeared as an issue. Likewise so did most of the other problem behaviours, which were just puppy characteristics for the most part. As they mature they also calm down, which helps a lot. These dogs are bright and usually want to please, so eventually it does work out. Praising each time when they "get it" also works well.
This spring we started trying to teach Chou to stay on the paths and out of the garden rows. We didn't bother trying to get that across to her last year because she was just a little puppy, so she was used to flying through the squash and melon plants and tugging at the bean vines. She's still not perfect, especially if the cat teases her by dancing through the rows, but she really has the idea and usually goes over to lie in the arbor when I'm working in the garden now. We have been really impressed by how smart she is, how much she understands, and how much she wants to do what we ask if she can only figure it out. But again, it takes time and maturity!
Leslie _________________ *\Portraits http://www.leslieficcaglia.org *\
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