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NurseLeslie
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's my 2 cents! I have littermates. F1's. One is more 'labby' in his coat. He sheds, however he does NOT produce whatever allergen it is that sets me off, because I can, and DO, snuggle with him alot and never a sneeze! He also does not smell like a lab. A BIG plus in my book.

His sister is much more 'poodley'. (IS that a word?) She is curly and doen not shed.

Here they are side by side. Calvin is bigger and on the right. Madge is more silver all over.



Good Luck and welcome to the forum!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Bridgette,
I may be wrong but one of your posts sounds, to me, like you really don't want a Labradoodle, you claim to be against mixed breeding and your comments are pretty one-sided, but I hope that I am wrong.
If you are sincere and want to know about Labradoodles and what breeders "claim" about them, by all means, reasearch the archives of this forum. I think you will find that those of us on this forum never promise that a doodle will be non-shedding nor allergen-free.
I can only speak from personal experience. My husband is severely affected by dogs and cats (all animals) but we are able to have a house full of doodles and poodles.
Some of our dogs (F1) do shed, and some of our F1B pups shed...and you are right to assume that we may not know the full extent of shedding until the pup is a year old. That is true with all breeds because puppies blow their puppy coats at an age close to a year. ALL breeds.
The curl of the coat is not indicitive of non-shedding. People who think that are misinformed. My best coats are the fleece coats, they are loose waves and soft as silk. Those coats never shed. My curly coats often do and usually become coarse as the dog matures. This is information that I freely offer to prospective buyers.
Now, to address your comments about preferring registered breeds against mixed breeds and why should you pay so much for a mixed breed...well, if you don't want a mixed breed, don't pay for one. It is really pretty simple.
If you want to pay your big money for "pure", papered dogs, then do so. But be aware that registration with the big "pure" breed dog organizations will not guarantee dog quality or fitness. In fact, many, many pure breed dogs are registered with falsified papers. If the "pure" breed dog supporters really want to prove their dogs are from quality lines and that they are not hiding any information, they would all push for DNA matching of their lines. But you will see them much opposed to such registration. I only wonder why that would be?
You can buy papers or you can buy a great dog. Sometimes you are lucky and get both. But if you are selecting a dog merely on registration, you will be sadly disappointed. Buy a great dog...that is my best advice. Forget about the politics of pure vs mixed dogs and find a great dog!
Anyway, I don't wish to expound on why I think that registrations are bunk or why I think that people with closed minds about mixed breed dogs are up in the night...I will simply refer you to a wonderful site to enlighten you, if you truly wish to learn:
http://www.canine-genetics.com/Default.htm
Best wishes in your search. I sincerely hope that you find the perfect dog for your family.
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NurseLeslie
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, and as far as health issues in PURE bred dogs...You are going to find TONS of them. Generations of breeding with limited new stock has weakened the dog. There is a term "hybrid Vigor", which means that 1st generation dogs (cross breds), are much less likely than their pure parents to have hip, eye, coat and a host of other problems.

What you pay for in a well-bred Labradoodle puppy are the genetic tests, Vet bills and health check-ups that are expensive and time consuming the breeder has provided to guarantee your puppy will be free of the genetic maladies of thier parents breed.

I agree with Jac....Go get a great dog. If you can't have one that sheds, that limits you to Terriers (VERY high energy and stubborn) and Poodles (VERY smart and great family dogs) and a few others.

Good Luck!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to state an out loud thought:

In essence every single purebreed dog which most think of as AKC ebred dogs... ...point being this: every PUREBRED DOG in this world to-date is a hybrid dog. WHY? because if you read up on any breed's history all dogs were had mutliple breeding infusions to obtain just the right purebred dog.

NOW with doodles , isn't this parallel to breeding certain types of purebred dogs to obtain the "right hybrid purebred doodle."

Point 2: price is a personal issue and i refuse to discuss this right now as we just covered this with Island Doodle.

Point 3:
NOW if you don't want a dog shadowing you 24/7 like a small toddler , then do NOT get a doodle.
Doodles whether a golden or labradoodle want to be a family member at all times. YOU got potty, they watch you potty while sitting next to you and wait for the opportune moment you get up off the toliet to then be stealing your socks. YOu obviously cannot run fast enough cause your pants are at your ankles.

Point 4: these dogs will whine or cry or then attempt to dig up small trees IF you decided to leave them outside on a dog run or alone for more than 15min.

Point 5: most are nonshedders........even if they do shed however, a simple sweeping and/or vacuuming will erase all signs of fuzzy shedding balls.

Point 6: TEMPERAMENT AKA PERSONALITY OF THE DOG WHETHER A DOODLE OR NOT should always be 1st PRIORITY
why? becuase if you don't get the personality that fits in with you , your family and lifestyle you will be miserable and so will the dog.
as coat, color , size all falls into place ONCE you pick the type of personlity you really want to live with for 10 to 15years of your life.

Point 7: I wish you luck in choice of dogs, Doodles are different as they are a mixture of a people dog with high intelligence, quite allergy friendly, exercise your sense of humor, are very loving, need moderate to high exercise depending on dog's personlaity, need some kind of obedience training as they also love having a task and/or commands to do.
IF left to their own thoughts.....well let's say we've seen very funny pictures on this forum cause it wasn't OUR couch eaten.

Max is a good a gold but when he's eaten about a dozen pair of socks i am glad it's sock and NOT my golden necklace hahahhahahaa
OR when peanut chewed the drywall, DAVE my fiance reminded me her calcium levels were getting low. Beau hates junkmail as me so he only eats bills.
My doodles all KNOW how to read as any reader's digest that have been digested fully but doodles can be secretive and they still won't tell me about the articles that ate to-date and i refuse to go buy one. I DID learn taking my daughter to the doctor's allows me to read the past ones my dogs ate!!!

so what is the real point? you either want a doodle and maybe even do seraches on this forum to read past postings that can show and teach so much more than abook as they are real life experiences.

Also have you read any blog articles i'v written and posted? they may be humorous but they 100% true hahhaaaaaaaaa and do show a bit more of their personality.
designer dog? mutt? hybrid? I could careless what others call them and what they pay.
MY DOODLES? they just my babies and they're priceles
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gsmagoo2
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaxandMe wrote:
I'd like to state an out loud thought:

In essence every single purebreed dog which most think of as AKC ebred dogs... ...point being this: every PUREBRED DOG in this world to-date is a hybrid dog. WHY? because if you read up on any breed's history all dogs were had mutliple breeding infusions to obtain just the right purebred dog.

NOW with doodles , isn't this parallel to breeding certain types of purebred dogs to obtain the "right hybrid purebred doodle."

Point 2: price is a personal issue and i refuse to discuss this right now as we just covered this with Island Doodle.

Point 3:
NOW if you don't want a dog shadowing you 24/7 like a small toddler , then do NOT get a doodle.
Doodles whether a golden or labradoodle want to be a family member at all times. YOU got potty, they watch you potty while sitting next to you and wait for the opportune moment you get up off the toliet to then be stealing your socks. YOu obviously cannot run fast enough cause your pants are at your ankles.

Point 4: these dogs will whine or cry or then attempt to dig up small trees IF you decided to leave them outside on a dog run or alone for more than 15min.

Point 5: most are nonshedders........even if they do shed however, a simple sweeping and/or vacuuming will erase all signs of fuzzy shedding balls.

Point 6: TEMPERAMENT AKA PERSONALITY OF THE DOG WHETHER A DOODLE OR NOT should always be 1st PRIORITY
why? becuase if you don't get the personality that fits in with you , your family and lifestyle you will be miserable and so will the dog.
as coat, color , size all falls into place ONCE you pick the type of personlity you really want to live with for 10 to 15years of your life.

Point 7: I wish you luck in choice of dogs, Doodles are different as they are a mixture of a people dog with high intelligence, quite allergy friendly, exercise your sense of humor, are very loving, need moderate to high exercise depending on dog's personlaity, need some kind of obedience training as they also love having a task and/or commands to do.
IF left to their own thoughts.....well let's say we've seen very funny pictures on this forum cause it wasn't OUR couch eaten.

Max is a good a gold but when he's eaten about a dozen pair of socks i am glad it's sock and NOT my golden necklace hahahhahahaa
OR when peanut chewed the drywall, DAVE my fiance reminded me her calcium levels were getting low. Beau hates junkmail as me so he only eats bills.
My doodles all KNOW how to read as any reader's digest that have been digested fully but doodles can be secretive and they still won't tell me about the articles that ate to-date and i refuse to go buy one. I DID learn taking my daughter to the doctor's allows me to read the past ones my dogs ate!!!

so what is the real point? you either want a doodle and maybe even do seraches on this forum to read past postings that can show and teach so much more than abook as they are real life experiences.

Also have you read any blog articles i'v written and posted? they may be humorous but they 100% true hahhaaaaaaaaa and do show a bit more of their personality.
designer dog? mutt? hybrid? I could careless what others call them and what they pay.
MY DOODLES? they just my babies and they're priceles


Very well spoken AnnMarie, I don't think anyone could have said it any better.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. Very well said and I have no regrets. I have always had "mutts" that found their way to me. They are the best dogs. My last dog was a Chow/lab cross. Still a wonderful companion.

Temperment is key. It doesn't matter if its a dog, cat, hamster, husband.

Fabio may look fabulous but I wouldn't want to live with him. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dgeggis wrote:
Fabio may look fabulous but I wouldn't want to live with him. Wink


hahahahaaaa! So true!

Ann Marie...as usual...you are spot on! Thanks!
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