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Have you purchased a young puppy from a breeder via the web?
Yes, it was a great experience; everything went well and we are happy with our dog/s.
53%
 53%  [ 17 ]
Yes, it was a horrible fiasco and won't do it again.
6%
 6%  [ 2 ]
No, but I might, if I am satisfied the breeder is legit.
9%
 9%  [ 3 ]
No, I will never buy off the internet.
18%
 18%  [ 6 ]
No, I haven't; bought from a local breeder, but for another dog, I would consider purchasing off the net.
12%
 12%  [ 4 ]
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River Rat
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand where you're coming from, Bid, especially in view of what you're dealing with as a rescue organization, but as a person who bought a puppy sight unseen (except for photos) from a breeder whom I got to know through this forum, I have to say that it's worked beautifully for us. The breeder got a very good sense of who I was, and I certainly got a good sense of who she was and how she felt about her puppies. I do think that buying through contacts made here is an unusual opportunity which most people don't have.

How sad that there are so many labradoodles needing rescue. Careless breeding is the bane of most dog types and causes so much needless heartbreak and waste of puppy lives.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have had two experiences with getting a dog sight unseen only visiting via email and websites.

The first was horrible. Their website was great but incredibly misleading. The emails back and forth were as well.

I was a very uninformed buyer, did not know what questions to ask, hadn't done my homework, was too gullible.

Then I discovered this forum, a source of incredible information.

The second...well we got Tanner from a breeder on this forum, sight unseen...we had only seen 1 picture of Tanner. This experience was wonderful, and he has been everything we could have ever wanted in a doodle and more.

So I would say the buyer has to become a well informed buyer. I think you can purchase a puppy from a website not having actually seen your puppy in person but only when you have done your research.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

annieG wrote:
We have had two experiences with getting a dog sight unseen only visiting via email and websites.


Then I discovered this forum, a source of incredible information.

The second...well we got Tanner from a breeder on this forum, sight unseen...we had only seen 1 picture of Tanner. This experience was wonderful, and he has been everything we could have ever wanted in a doodle and more.


Annie I think you and Leslie are saying similar things, that through this forum there IS an opportunity to get to know a breeder, even BEFORE considering a puppy! And that's a special part of this forum and how it has been a source of friendship and accountability, for me. I've worked with several breeders here and a few owners who post here or did post here and I love the community feel of it all.

Personally I hope ALL online buyers get a sense that they 'know' their breeder and I take it very seriously that someone is giving me a lot of trust when they are out of state, we might never meet, yet they want on of our babies. It's a tall tall order!


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doodlesville wrote:
Tink wrote:
I think the reason I've not made more of an effort to learn to ship pups is my own feelings about buying dogs for myself. I can't imagine wanting to trust someone else to choose the "right" dog for me! I like to get my hands on them, get down on the floor with them and let them show me what kind of personality etc they have. I guess I'm a bit of a "dog snob" 'cause if I don't like the whole package I will pass them up.

I'm not even afraid someone would intentionally mislead me... I just want to have the final say.


Actually i dont ship ,but that is not the reason i dont ,it is for the health and well being of my pups,
I think that the breeder knows the pups best ,i know i personally spend 24/7 with them from the day they are born, its impossible for someone to spend 15mins with a pup and know how they truly are, I know the personalities of the pups better then anyone
i address my reasoning on our visitors policy page,
in addition a breeder takes a HUGE chance of people bringing in germs (parvo for one) infecting your entire litter, home and that would put the breeder out of business, once you get parvo in the environment it is almost impossible to be truly free of it
just my 2 cents
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I am late to this discussion and I understand that many people feel the same way Tink does, but I must say that I agree completely with Nancy.

What I am reading is a bit disturbing...to think that the only way to find a good puppy is to visit the home is understandable, but I will tell you that I do not allow visitors when my pups are young. Not because I am afraid to show people the surroundings, but because I have a duty to protect my puppies from Parvo, so if it means I lose a sale, so be it.

And, like Nancy, no one...especially someone meeting my pup for 15 minutes...can possibly know my pups better than I do. No one will love my pup more or want what is best for my pup than I do. No one.

I would never place one of my sweet puppies in a home where they would not be a good fit. I want them to be happy and thrive.

I bought 2 puppies online, from breeders I trusted and, except for paperwork glitches, I have not had a moment's doubt. The two pups I bought online, Chase (my Poodle) and Rosie (my Goldendoodle) were shipped to me, based on the trust I had in the breeder's ability to select the qualities that fit into my desires for our family and breeding program.

My first two Labradoodles (Bayley and Lexie) were purchased online and I had already made a commitment to them before I ever met them. The same with my two moyen Poodles (Madison and Dupree).

I have sold many pups online, talking to the buyer on the phone but sometimes delivering the pup to them.

I absolutely believe that you should investigate and make CERTAIN that you are dealing with someone reputable...but not through association membership. That is only one tool. You have to be very wise...but when you buy anything of value, say a new car, you investigate in every way you can...but you don't have to go to the manufacturing plant to be sure that every bolt is tightened. No, you trust the auto maker. Why? Reputation.

Silly to compare cars to living creatures...but it is a shame to not look into selection online. I don't ship my pups either...for the same reason Nancy doesn't...but I am very grateful to those who have shipped to me. The pups arrived in great condition and were very much a part of our lives from the first day they arrived. (I do sell out of area...often I will drive to deliver pups or meet people half way...one buyer flew out from New York to California to bring her puppy home with her. I would even deliver from airline...if the pup didn't have to go in cargo.)
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just skimmed the last few pages of this thread, so forgive me if this was addressed....

But I would imagine it's just as difficult for a breeder to choose a buyer off the web, sight-unseen. They're taking a bit of a leap of faith themselves, if they are ethical breeders such as the ones on this forum. It's a two-way street...the heart strings tug both ways.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good Point, Lynn!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is sooooo true Lynn. You can't imagine how important the updates are to a breeder. I don't care how much time you spend exchanging e-mails, talking, etc. with a buyer, you still have that fear of the buyer not being happy, or that the buyer isn't who you thought they were. When you get that phone call saying they received the puppy and that the puppy is everything they imagined and then you continue to hear from them and get pictures, you know a "match was made".
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hoooo Boy! That is the truth, Lynn! How very perceptive of you!

Ditto to Diane's comments...the most wonderful news I can get is news of my puppy's adjustment into their new family.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dittos! Thanks for pointing that out, Lynn
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did alot of research, and bought from a breeder online, I contacted some of the people who had bought from her, and spoke a bit with her over the phone/email...

Lucas arrived, a little bit freaked out, and looking great and all is well... but for the next one...

I will not fly my pup, I will only buy after visiting the site in person ...

only because, if something did go wrong with Lucas, there would always be that little piece of me that wondered if it was because of the breeder... having not experienced his original home in person, or met the breeder in person, I think I would question my own decision in picking that particular breeder... site unseen...

For me, leaving as little to the imagination as possible, is better...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

personally I think the MOST IDEAL way is when a breeder (me) can fly the puppy, in the cabin, to an airport near the new owner so we can meet, face to face, and the puppy hasn't taken the trip in a crate in the belly of an airplane. I always hope that will happen with at least one of our puppies.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I have to say I was VERY worried about Jofi flying all the way from Oz to the Netherlands (she had a stop-over in Kwala Lumpa, Malaysia). However, she arrived fine and my experience with buying from an overseas on-line breeder has been great. I spoke to others who'd had puppies from the same breeder and had nothing but glowing reports. The dogs are health tested and I sent a long e-mail of questions before committing to buy a puppy from them. I'm now waiting for another puppy from Australia - from Rutland Manor.

The only disadvantage I've seen (of course there is the cost but for us buying locally involved a year- to 2 year wait) is that Jofi has never got on with her crate. I suspect it has something to do with the time confined in a travel crate during her journey. I don't blame her and we're happy for her to have free roam of the kitchen when we're away (provided she doesn't nibble on any more tortoises!).
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boy was I lucky!
I spent 3 days on the spca sites all around my province looking to adopt a dog.
I had never met a Labradoodle although knew they were super cute.
Kiijii site-standard poodle-called at 10am-visited at 1pm -was home with Khalua at 2pm (free)
Very well loved, healthy (fingers crossed) I know nothing of testing, hips , family history-hate that.
But he is well & we love him MORE than anything in the world!!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hurray for Kahlua!!!

So glad you have a doodle to love!! He looks very handsome!
Congratulations!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Jane:
Thanks for getting my dog's name spelled correctly!
He came with his name, which I found difficult to remember (!!!), hard to pronounce & I never seem to spell it right !!!
He's been ours for 7 weeks & for the first 2 weeks I kept calling him Kazula (what is that about?)
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