Petition to oppose the CA Bill for mandatory spay/neuter

MaxandMe · Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject:

just signed it jac...and thanks for letting me know about this petition! Very Happy

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sug123 · Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:06 am Post subject: signed the petition

Well, I signed it for sure!!! I was in the Social Security Office today and the lady next to me was very concerned about this law as well and she is just an owner of 2 mixed dogs that are her pets. I hope more citizens get fed up with this as well. Sorry I haven't been on for awhile but my computer had a melt down!!
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Jac · Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:34 am Post subject:

Thanks again everyone...I really appreciate you taking the time to support us in this.
Sue...nice to have you back!

I wrote another letter...copied it to the Governor and First Lady because if the bill passes, they still need to sign it.

But this is what really makes me angry...now, before I say this, I want you to know that in a perfect world, I am in favor of saving every single sweet animal alive (and I am working on a business to do my part) but...with this legilsation looming, I had to write and tell the Legislators that there is, at least, one shelter operating in CA, OPENLY stating that they IMPORT strays from other states because "in California, they find homes!"

Yet, California wants to allow that...and stop responsible breeders...man, it makes me angry!!!

So, thanks again to you all...for supporting this particular issue and for always being there for me. Very Happy

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lieverdmom · Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:50 pm Post subject:

I'm on board, too, at #12,985, so the numbers are creeping up. Keep 'em coming!

Jac, is there a known timetable with regards to Governor Schwarzennegger taking action on this? Does anyone know how he is leaning?
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Jac · Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:05 pm Post subject:

I honestly don't know, Deb...I keep an eye on the Bill on this link:
http://www.ab1634.com/
And, I actually get the most info from the AKC link:
http://www.akc.org/canine_legislation/CA_action_center.cfm
I don't think that this is a priority-type bill so won't get a lot of the Governor's attention...which is why I also wrote to the First Lady. Wink

I, at least, feel that I am doing what I can. I seriously don't know of much more that I can do...
But I shall continue the fight!
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lieverdmom · Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:50 pm Post subject:

Jac · Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:40 am Post subject:

Absolutely, Deb...good points.
I do think that I have read these arguments in the opposition...I hope that someone listens.
I received a reply from our Assembly woman who said that it has already passed, but if she is ever given an opportunity to provide input, she will certainly consider my information. Yeah. Right.
Oh, well...It did, indeed, pass her area already...now it is up to the Senate and at least I know that our Senator got my email.
In answer to your question...I does have to pass (affirmatively) or it is shot down...so it won't automatically become law UNTIL it is up for signature from the Governor. If he fails to veto or sign, it will become law...so HIS veto is important.
That is my focus at this point.
Cross your fingers! (And keep supporting the opposition!!)
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lieverdmom · Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:39 pm Post subject:

Jac · Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject:

Yes, it did Deb, but for some reason, it goes back for another reading! (Don't ask me...I've always been stumped by how a Bill becomes law! LOL)
I think, I don't KNOW, mind you, but I think that it keeps going back for revisions, and even though it was passed, I think that the "passage" was one on "not being stricken" but of moving on to be revised and renewed...or something like that.
Rolling Eyes

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lieverdmom · Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:26 pm Post subject:

River Rat · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:55 pm Post subject:

This commentary is from a painter I know who breeds puppies in California; I asked her what she thought about the new legislation. She makes some excellent points:

"For a while there has been a movement towards spay/neutering in infancy -- at 7 weeks, before the puppy goes to its new home. (GASP!) It was started by the shelters, who wanted to make sure puppies they placed would not contribute to the shelter overloading later in life. Some
breeders also started doing it because it was safer than selling an
intact infant on a contract that requires the pup be spayed or neutered
(the norm). I always thought it was a lousy idea, and now statistics
are accumulating that prove that spay/neuter before sexual maturation
really screws up the dog's physiology. Concerned vets are actually
extending their recommended spay/neuter time from 6 months old to 1 year old -- later in the case of giant breeds, which is probably why those contracts say neuter at 2 years.

Reasons? Some bone growth plates don't close normally in the absence of sex hormones, thus resulting in a very gangly dog with structural
abnormalities that lead to cruciate ligament ruptures and higher risk of
hip dysplasia. Early spay/neuter also gives a 5 times higher risk of
hemangiosarcoma, which is one of the 3 most common cancers in dogs --
and dogs' cancer risk is much higher than people's in the first place.
In addition, early spay/neuter gives an increased risk for bone cancer
There are also a number of behavioral problems associated with early
spay/neuter, including undesirable sexual behavior (riding your leg) and
increased fearfulness including noise phobias.

I have always mistrusted the tales about how spaying and neutering
prevents cancers, too. If it were such a spiffy idea to remove the
female reproductive system if it isn't going to be used, then why the
heck don't our doctors recommend hysterectomies the minute we hit
menopause? Wouldn't need any more Pap smears, whoopdedoo! But there is that nagging little problem of the heart attacks.... and the
osteoporosis.... Or say, maybe we should neuter men before they reach
the age where they become politicians and generals -- avoid prostate
cancer, AND bring Peace On Earth! Works pretty good for stallions and
bulls."

Linda · Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:59 am Post subject:

Leslie,
That is a great post! Thanks!

Jac · Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject:

I appreciate the information provided in this post, Leslie, thanks...and even more importantly (for me) is that you care enough to take an active role to help inform people...
There are those who will agree and disagree on the issue of ESN, but what it important is that the dialogue continues.
People will make those choices, as always, based on their core beliefs...and those beliefs change as we gain experience...I was highly in favor or ESN at one point, I felt it was a responsible thing for me, as a breeder, to do and I had (what I thought were) excellent reasons. My perspective drastically changed when I lost an 8 week old puppy...after watching her fight so hard for her life. Still, I support everyone's right to make that choice.
This Bill takes away MY choice NOT to participate in ESN...so, in addition to other problems with the Bill...I am absolutely opposed to requiring these dogs to be spayed or neutered by 4 months of age.
I am, however, highly in favor of allowing that choice to be made...not mandated.
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lieverdmom · Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:52 am Post subject:

Thanks for the great information in this chilling post. Whew!

This makes me regret the boy I just sent out on a pediatric neuter. What a lovely boy he is, and it gives me chills that the supposedly responsible choice I made may have set him up for such a laundry list of disorders.

My question for the breeders on the forum is this: What about the labradoodle associations, such as ALAA, which require the pediatric spay/neuter for membership as an approved breeder? Are they ever amenable to a spay/neuter contract with some good teeth in it, and a breeder with the willingness to enforce it?
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River Rat · Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:39 am Post subject:

Don't forget that I don't have the citations for the material presented by my breeder friend, and it may just be someone's opinion or educated guess rather than hard scientific fact. We all know how changeable medical "truths" can be following the next "perfect" study. So don't beat yourselves up for following what is doubtless common practice. I posted that mostly to get your reactions and to see whether any of you were aware of these concerns. If they are in fact grounded in fact and documentation can be obtained, getting some veterinarians to agree and to weigh in on the battle could be very effective.