North American Retrievers (Labradoodle/Goldendoodle hybrid)

MaxandMe · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:27 pm Post subject:

WOW king Louis and Davein VA both get their doodles tomorrow

I'd be careful about what kind of dog breeds you'd consider breeding to labradoodles.
1. is temperment and health issues
2. is coat
3. there are so many doodle mixes out there but the true labradoodle and Goldendoodles are bred to be specific

4. the north american retriever is meant to possibly standardize this breed.
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Calimom · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:29 pm Post subject: posting pictures

I'll quote Mary from a previous post:

King Louis · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:34 pm Post subject:

MaxandMe--

You said--

4. the north american retriever is meant to possibly standardize this breed.

How? Why would it standardize the breed? Because they are both included??

Now, trying to figure out how to upload...

MaxandMe · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject:

KIng Louis...HI and welcome

1. to upload to here ...once you have a pic on photobucket.com then highlight the IMG code (control c) then come here to reply and put cursor in this box and hit control v ....wahllaa your pic appears. Still not sure? hit preview to make sure picture shows then click submit

2.its 11pm here and i'v been up since 4am hahahhaa bit tired
but if you can go back to page one of this post and read then come back here.
also you can do a search in this area of topics and i am sure another one will show up

i've only had doodles for a litte over a year myself and new to the breed so to speak even though i have been reading up on them since 1980

tomrrow i'll have more energy to discuss further and ANY BREEDERS out there care to help since you know more than i do? thanks Very Happy

as you yourself breed horses....and after reading your post i see that you want to breed taller labradoodles. At first i got nervous you were trying to introduce a breed far from labradoodles to create a new type of doodle breed. Whew! glad i caught that a few moments ago.
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MaxandMe · Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 7:23 am Post subject:

OK i wanted to reopen this discussion possibly?

AS many of you know we are going ahead with tests for Beau for stud service but i am not doing it locally in new york as i am not going to give my own breeder any competition.

It was a shock when my vets asked me if i'd consider breeding Beau as i hadn't told them my intentions yet. they said they hadn't seen such a great temperament in a puppy like beau in years. And they dont' do sperm collection on a regular basis but if Beau's tests come back good on health they would for me. Very Happy

NOW Beau is a RED Fleece -wavy NON-Shedding Coat , his breeder to-date has NEVER had any blacks , she always has reds with only 2 creams. the REDS well Beau isn't the darkest but his RED is deepening. All her pups deepen their red with age to-date.

NOW peanut is cream/white/apricot goldendoodle with a fleece nonshedding coat but she leans heavily towards the goldenretriever
whereas
BEAU leans more towards poodle in build/structure, nonshedding, the way he prances, light on his feet, and much more.

So if you take a red F1 (need to test coat color DNA still) and cross it with F1B labradoodle that has fleece to possibly wool coat
isn't there a possibility of having more fleece coats versus hair coats, especially if you see a goldendoodle that leans more towards the poodle in structure and coat with a sweet retriever laid back temperament?

OH i am talking about NARs still.

and why Nars? like i stated in beginning to aid in standardizing the doodle breed and keeping the integrity going ....and breed excellent temperaments with good health and hopefully nonshedding to very low shedding coats. NOW if he throws red and mixed with right female then yes to get coat colors.

f1b x f1b ...One Website doing Nar's said they won't do multgen f1b crosses anymore as they can't determine how much is crossed
thus
isnt' there a possibilty of doing f1 x f1b and if a good litter
determining if there should be a backcross of poodle vs doodle to keeping a certain mix for consistency?
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hmz819 · Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:27 am Post subject:

Annmarie....not too good with the genetics thing but Maya came from an F1B labradoodle mom and a F1 goldendoodle dad. According to my breeders page all except 2 turned out to be curly fleece like coats. Maya and one other pup were the exception. She just had another litter but I think it is a little early to tell coats yet. PM me and I'll send the website info.
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Maureen · Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:50 pm Post subject:

MaxandMe · Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject:

thanks Maureen...2 major NAR sites have replied to email i sent so i was reading what is on the website as of today. and perhaps i'll just list what they say and take off their name

and yes i know about blazing star and they're doing f1 x f1b with good results thus far

appreciate your help...i was trying to see results to-date of NAR litters of coats etc
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MaxandMe · Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject:

and i also was trying to see if anyone has tried backcrossing a NAR at all but i would think that may be down the line since NAR is still fairly new

PS Maureen i took out the name of the website? can you too? i didnt' realize i was typing here and should have left the NAME of breeder/website in a PM Only!! (ouch)
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Maureen · Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:24 pm Post subject:

ahhh! Jane is either in her residency or some kind of intense schooling, plus her family life, and she's not breeding so I'm sure there's a connection somewhere!

Gee, there could be a 2nd or 3rd generation by the time Beau is ready, huh?
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MaxandMe · Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject:

Possibly...for now this is the beginning , as he has to TEST Well 1st!

i want to get some pre-lims on him like penn hip and DNA to see if he is what I and even my own breeder believes. her hubby won't consider NAR's yet or even f1b/f2 goldendoodles. What a shame but i also understand the investment , testing and considerable time it takes.

which is why we have BEAU , she can't breed him unless she gets another female. she's doing two different breedings along with horse breeding right now. Besides DAVE has his buddy now Wink

Max is mommie's boy, peanut melts when she sees my son and Beau melts when he sees DAVE. (so why do they always follow me 24/7? hahahhaa)

f2's or f3';s with BEAU...for sure a consideration
Right now i was concentrating on NAR's Very Happy

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Jac · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:35 am Post subject:

Okay, you guys...Rosie is in heat and now you have me considering Nitos as daddy...I loved the pups we got with Chase and was thinking of breeding them again...but should I do the NAR? Nitos is black...that is my main problem. Rosie does carry black, so we will probably have a passel of black dogs again! UGH!
I dunno...I may have to wait for my pups to get old enough and then match them up with the right GD...eh?
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hmz819 · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:47 am Post subject:

I say go for it!!! hahaha I am partial though.....I love my NAR!!!!
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Maureen · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:22 am Post subject:

Jac, Nitos carries chocolate, and there's at least a 50/50 chance he carries cream, so if he does you could have 50/50 cream and black puppies.....Rosie doesn't carry chocolate right?

As far as NAR's are concerned I would think f1 g'd x f1b l'd would be the BEST combination! But that's only in my head, since I know nothing, of course. Rolling Eyes

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MaxandMe · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:48 pm Post subject:

OMG ...my genetics book just arrived!! Very Happy

maureen, does your friend who did genetics...can they recommend a book that gets into coat/color genetics? if not i'll go to library and skim a few before purchasing one that goes deeper than the one I have
thanks!
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