F1....f1b?

[sarahtom]

Can someone explain what these terms mean and what the difference is? My husband and I are starting to look into getting a labradoodle and want to be sure we understand all the info.
Thanks,
Sarah

[lindamarie]

Mnay other members can get into this more heavily than I can, but here is how I always answer this question.
An F1 is 1/2 poodle and 1/2 lab or golden retriever. So you have than a LABradoodle or a GOLDENdoodle.

An F1b means that the dog is 75% poodle.

As a result, the F1 may shed a tad more......and the F1b not shed..........the F1b looks more "poodley" and usually is curlier with a poodle muzzle rather than a boxier muzzle.

Personally, I feel all dogs shed to some degree. Bogart F1) sheds a little more than my Bouvier did, who is considered a "shedless" breed.
Even humans shed! So, I may find some tumbleweeds of hair on the hardwood floors, but I don't see very much, if any, on clothing.

[Lucky Me]

Hope this explains generations a bit....From my web-site:
There are several generational differences in the Labradoodle world:
F1 Labradoodle is the first cross between the parent breeds. The Labrador Retriever crossed with a Poodle. The resulting litter is the first cross, or F1 puppy.
This is first generation. Hair type can be smooth like a lab,wirey look like a Irish wolfhound or Wavy/shaggy, they can shed or not. I do not recommend this cross for people with severe allergies.
F1B is a back cross to the parent breed. Generally the F1 Labradoodle is bred back to the Poodle, breeders rarely, if ever, breed back to the Lab. The main reason for a back cross to a Poodle is to give the resulting offspring a more consistent coat quality. Because the puppies are 75% Poodle and 25% Lab, they tend to have a longer coat that is more wavy, curly and shaggy looking.
F1B Labradoodles are the most likely of any to be non shedding and Allergy friendly, and is the easiest coat to take care of.
Multi generational (Multigen) Labradoodles are from one of two possible genetic backgrounds. Australian Multigen Labradoodles have, over the years, been infused with breeds other than the parent Lab and Poodle. There are at least six different breeds in a true Australian Multigen Labradoodle. In the United States, some breeders have purchased Australian Multigen breeding stock and continued to breed them to similar animals. Some other breeders in the U.S. have created Multi generational Labradoodles from crossing the Labs and Poodles for generations, mixing different gene pools and breeding successive generations of F1B or F2B dogs with other F1B or F2B dogs to create a Multigen Labradoodle without the infusion of other breeds that are found in the Australian lines.
Still, back crossing to a Poodle increases the chance that the puppies will be low shedding.
A note about allergic reactions: Labradoodle dogs are advertised by many breeders as being “hypo-allergenic” or “non-allergenic” they are also considered by many to be non-shedding. In reality, you can never be 100% certain that your Labradoodle will be either hypo-allergenic or non-shedding. Why? Because sometimes allergies are caused by saliva in dogs and if this is the cause of your reaction, the Poodle-infused coat will not curtail this type of allergy.
Again, the allergic reaction may still be present in these dogs if you are allergic to the saliva or another aspect of dogs.

[sarahtom]

Thank you both so much! That helped a lot
Now to find a breeder...

[lindamarie]

GREAT insight, Judi!

[Lucky Me]

This explains the breeding, but still...there is so much variations within a litter!
If your breeder knows their dogs, they should be able to pick out the coat you want, if they have it, from the litter

Look here..... here is an example of 3 different doodles.
First one is my F1 labradoodleTuesday that favors Lab and sheds.
Second one is her son Marley, a very poodle looking F1b Labradoodle...(there were silky, lg. curled fleece coats in the litter too, one was straight.)
This type of coat is great for allergies!
Third is our recently acquired F1b Goldendoodle girl, Easy, that will take over Tuesdays position. (Tuesday is about to have her 3rd & final litter)
Don't they just look like trouble? LOL



And while I am at it.....meet Easy, she is a doll and is so mellow & easy to train, we had to call her "Easy"!
Her coat is so soft & silky.....