Just Found Something

doodledash · 01-31-2009, 06:21 PM

Now i am doing some research about doodles as i have not got a clue.
This breed is fairly new to us,as we have had Border Collies for many years.
Now just found out that a breeder with a F2 labradoodle is going to breed with a mini poodle can this be true ?
Surely a big labradoodle and a little poodle no way.
How does this work,my mind is working over time.

Steps perhaps.

Maureen · 01-31-2009, 08:35 PM

hi, and welcome!
Yes, an f1 or an f2, if they are presumably 50/50 Lab/Poodle can and possibly "should" be bred to a Poodle...of some size. Most of us on this forum think that a gradual or careful downsizing is a more conscientious way of bringing down the doodle size. But it happens!
I bred my f1 girl Copper - who is medium, by the way - to a Miniature Poodle and just Thursday we got a LOVELY litter of babies! Last year's litter of the same breeding gave us Doodles that are 20-30 lbs. (10-15kg?)
Now, Copper is one of the smaller Labradoodles, at 18" at the shoulders, and her male was 13" I think, so the size difference was minimized to get these smaller dogs. But yes, we did it.

And interestingly enough, in the whole science of hybrids it is a common practice to go from an F1 generation to an F1b generation which stands for F1backcross. So if this dog is an f2 from an f1xf1 breeding, a backcross to a poodle makes sense scientifically as well as practically.

I hope that helps! And I hope that the breeding you just heard of is with a not-so-big Labradoodle.

Jac · 01-31-2009, 09:08 PM

Maureen is right on...of course!
If they use a smaller standard and breed to a moyen or miniture (not a toy!) it should be okay...I prefer moyen, because they are a bit larger...but it is commonly done.

doodledash · 02-01-2009, 05:01 AM

I do know the labradoodle think she is an F2 and she is a big girl.
I just really did not know this could happen.
But thank you for letting me know,i learn more and more each day.
Well done Copper and for having a beautiful litter.

doodleheaven · 02-01-2009, 08:15 PM

I believe they also do artificial insemination although it is not the favored way?

Maureen · 02-01-2009, 08:27 PM

It's the most common way alto if you can find a little guy who will let you hold him for the tie, you've found a GEM! AI also helps breeders work with a host of long distance breeders, which is really handy!

(no pun intended of course!)

01-31-2009, 06:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
doodledash Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 513	Just Found Something Now i am doing some research about doodles as i have not got a clue. This breed is fairly new to us,as we have had Border Collies for many years. Now just found out that a breeder with a F2 labradoodle is going to breed with a mini poodle can this be true ? Surely a big labradoodle and a little poodle no way. How does this work,my mind is working over time. Steps perhaps.

01-31-2009, 08:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
Maureen Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,810	Re: Just Found Something hi, and welcome! Yes, an f1 or an f2, if they are presumably 50/50 Lab/Poodle can and possibly "should" be bred to a Poodle...of some size. Most of us on this forum think that a gradual or careful downsizing is a more conscientious way of bringing down the doodle size. But it happens! I bred my f1 girl Copper - who is medium, by the way - to a Miniature Poodle and just Thursday we got a LOVELY litter of babies! Last year's litter of the same breeding gave us Doodles that are 20-30 lbs. (10-15kg?) Now, Copper is one of the smaller Labradoodles, at 18" at the shoulders, and her male was 13" I think, so the size difference was minimized to get these smaller dogs. But yes, we did it. And interestingly enough, in the whole science of hybrids it is a common practice to go from an F1 generation to an F1b generation which stands for F1backcross. So if this dog is an f2 from an f1xf1 breeding, a backcross to a poodle makes sense scientifically as well as practically. I hope that helps! And I hope that the breeding you just heard of is with a not-so-big Labradoodle. __________________ ~Maureen LabradoodleRanch@aol.com www.LabradoodleRanch.com

01-31-2009, 09:08 PM	#3 (permalink)
Jac Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: northern California Posts: 9,243	Re: Just Found Something Maureen is right on...of course! If they use a smaller standard and breed to a moyen or miniture (not a toy!) it should be okay...I prefer moyen, because they are a bit larger...but it is commonly done.

02-01-2009, 05:01 AM	#4 (permalink)
doodledash Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 513	Re: Just Found Something I do know the labradoodle think she is an F2 and she is a big girl. I just really did not know this could happen. But thank you for letting me know,i learn more and more each day. Well done Copper and for having a beautiful litter.

02-01-2009, 08:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
doodleheaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Calgary, AB Canada Posts: 560	Re: Just Found Something I believe they also do artificial insemination although it is not the favored way? __________________ Lily and Bailey

02-01-2009, 08:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
Maureen Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,810	Re: Just Found Something It's the most common way alto if you can find a little guy who will let you hold him for the tie, you've found a GEM! AI also helps breeders work with a host of long distance breeders, which is really handy! (no pun intended of course!) __________________ ~Maureen LabradoodleRanch@aol.com www.LabradoodleRanch.com

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