golden doodle parents

Sally · 02-11-2010, 08:17 PM

My husband and I are getting ready to buy a golden doodle. Are there significant differnces if the mother is the poodle or the golden retriever and visa versa for the father?

Jac · 02-12-2010, 01:16 AM

No. None, whatsoever...the genes pass to the pups, no matter which breed the dam or sire are.

Congratulations! I hope that you will let us know when your new baby arrives and that you will post a picture!

Welcome to the forum!

KingstonTodd · 02-12-2010, 10:09 AM

Welcome,
And they are genetically the same if the mom is one bred or the other. I have never heard of a mothering difference between poodles and retrievers, there should really be no learned behavioural difference based only on which breed does the rearing.

**MaxandMe** · 02-13-2010, 03:07 AM

DITTO .......doesn't matter which one is the mom and which one is the dad

I have one of each : goldendodle and a labradoodle

Jac · 02-13-2010, 04:54 AM

I have heard some people comment that it is better for the mother to be the Lab or Golden and the Poodle to be the father...because they believe that the bone structure is more narrow for the Poodle and would make puppies easy for the mother to deliver...and that if the Poodle is the mother, the blocky head of the Lab might make it hard for her to deliver the pups. I have not known of any such problem.
As far as we know, there really is no difference.

Sally · 02-13-2010, 09:08 AM

Thank you for your answers. We have found a breeder we are comfortable with and she has both. The reason I was asking is that I was trying to decide which litter to choose one from. I think my husband and I are close to deciding to get one from each litter. They are due two weeks apart. We have put a deposit on one and after we give ourselves a couple of days to make sure we are not being impulsive we will reserve the second. I have had two dogs in the past and liked having two dogs better than one. My husband is retired and we are ready to start our second family...our family of dogs. They won't be born until March which will give us time to get our fence completed. We are reading the books by the Monks of Skete and are getting excited.

I would welcome thoughts about getting two puppies at the same time (different litter, two weeks apart).

Thank you,
Sally

KingstonTodd · 02-13-2010, 09:40 AM

I am sure you will get answers both for and against it. We are breeders and we do NOT sell two puppies to one family or to a family with a puppy still under 6 months of age. The number one reason a dog ends up in the humane society or a shelter, and potentially euthanized, is due to bad behaviour. We are very in favour of any doodle family having two doodles, since they are highly sociable dogs and dogs like to have companionship, however, we believe it is critical to have the first puppy trained in basic obedience before adding the second. Trainig two at once is exponentially harder, getting and keeping their attention without one puppy being distracted by the other. Everyone gets their dog(s) thinking they will love it forever and they will never be one of those people who are forced to dump their dog at a shelter, yet it happens by the thousands everyday. The best way to make sure that doesnt become you is to get a puppy, have it trained, and then get a second puppy from the breeders next litter. These dogs will live 12-15 years so having only one dog for 6 months to a year at the begining is not a big deal in the overall picture but it will drastically increase the likelihood that you wil have two well behaved dogs.

Just MHO.

Sally · 02-13-2010, 10:38 AM

Thank you for your insight and experienced opinion. We appreciate all the knowledge we can get. I will be eager to hear from other experienced people as well. We appreciate what you have said.

Jac · 02-13-2010, 03:21 PM

We got our two girls at the same time, they are littermates...and Todd is right...it is twice the work and twice the destruction ...but I will say this, IF you are committed to training them, they can be great friends.

From our experience, I will support what Todd said...our puppies, literally, ate our sofa, two chairs and a futon! (Not on the same day, of course.

)

When one found something fun, the other joined in...and if we were not there, total destruction! Now, this was not only bad for the house, and for us...but very dangerous to the pups!

So, here is what I have learned...if I had to do it over again...I would still get the two together...but I would train my HUSBAND to help me train the dogs...my husband has always been the easy going type and I would try to train and he would just as quickly untrain...still doing it, in fact.

So, my tips...from experience:

Always take 10 to 15 minutes to separate each puppy and train one. Then, because your world will always include them both and they must learn to obey, you have to get really good at giving a command (globally) and rewarding the one that obeys...ignoring the one that doesn't. Because training is an ongoing event...you HAVE to do it this way...otherwise, your training is only good while you are training.

Also, take your dogs out individually...maybe you could take one of them one day and go for a ride, to the park, shopping, something fun...and your husband can stay at home training and playing with the other...let them get used to the other one leaving with someone so that they don't whine and bark and get upset that they are not going too.

They need to get used to being apart. Sometime you will need to take one to the vet, and maybe it will have to stay overnight...and the other will be with out the one...so I would get them used to being kenneled over night alone...just once in a while. (It is harder on the owner than on the dog.)

Use crate training! When you are gone, put the pups in separate crates. (Lots of info on this forum about crate training...)

Just keep in mind that together, they are twice the love but also twice the work, twice the expense and twice the concern...but on the plus side, they are best friends and really do love each other ... and, to me, it makes the work worthwhile.

Also, whether or not you have children in the home, be sure to keep your pups socialized around children in case you do have children visitors...

Really, I have success stories with dual placements...so as long as you are prepared, you can enjoy having two!

tuffystar · 02-14-2010, 05:44 PM

Welcome! I think you have heard some great advice and tips. I can't say about getting two puppies since I only have one doodle and one dog a bit older. I can say I can't imagine training two puppies at once! Tia nearly drove me crazy but things are going very well almost 3 years later. Again welcome.

Sally · 02-15-2010, 09:12 PM

I would like to thank everyone who took the time to reply to my question. I appreciate all of the points of view and we have decided to just get one puppy for now. We may add another one next year but by then this one will be bonded with us and trained. I had two dogs in the past but did not get them together. I had my first one for several years before I got the second and she was already trained. I think it is just practical to get one puppy and give it all we possibly can rather than make the experience more difficult for all by complicating things. We want this to be an enjoyable experience. We won't get our puppy until early May. I will come back on and let you know how we are doing. I will be reading all I can on goldendoodles. We have bought several books by the Monks of New Skete and are enjoying them. I am learning quite a few things I didn't know. Again thank you all so much.

Jac · 02-15-2010, 10:27 PM

Good choice...your older dog will help you train the younger one, when the time is right.

Looking forward to your return..and puppy pics!

**MaxandMe** · 02-16-2010, 12:16 PM

HI......i think you've made a really wise decision

Max we got as a puppy ......when he was 7 mos we brought home Peanut which worked out quite well
as Max also was a helper as well in training BUT at same time both were puppies going through various stages
and it was like raising toddlers again

I had 3 kids in 4yrs and well for me having 2 puppies 5mos apart
well i did 24/7 training with both, did OB classes, and it was daily training .......NOW they're 3.5 and 3yrs old.

LIFE is easier but at times Max and peanut get refresher courses w/me

but at same time they're closely
bonded, listen extremely well and are my best buddies/babies.

02-11-2010, 08:17 PM	#1 (permalink)
Sally Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4	golden doodle parents My husband and I are getting ready to buy a golden doodle. Are there significant differnces if the mother is the poodle or the golden retriever and visa versa for the father?

02-12-2010, 01:16 AM	#2 (permalink)
Jac Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: northern California Posts: 9,243	Re: golden doodle parents No. None, whatsoever...the genes pass to the pups, no matter which breed the dam or sire are. Congratulations! I hope that you will let us know when your new baby arrives and that you will post a picture! Welcome to the forum!

02-12-2010, 10:09 AM	#3 (permalink)
KingstonTodd Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,005	Re: golden doodle parents Welcome, And they are genetically the same if the mom is one bred or the other. I have never heard of a mothering difference between poodles and retrievers, there should really be no learned behavioural difference based only on which breed does the rearing.

02-13-2010, 03:07 AM	#4 (permalink)
MaxandMe Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Upstate, NY Posts: 15,103	Re: golden doodle parents DITTO .......doesn't matter which one is the mom and which one is the dad I have one of each : goldendodle and a labradoodle __________________ *Annmarie, Max,& Peanut* "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." Anatole France uncondtional love: what a dog always does for us and humans strive to do but can we?

02-13-2010, 04:54 AM	#5 (permalink)
Jac Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: northern California Posts: 9,243	Re: golden doodle parents I have heard some people comment that it is better for the mother to be the Lab or Golden and the Poodle to be the father...because they believe that the bone structure is more narrow for the Poodle and would make puppies easy for the mother to deliver...and that if the Poodle is the mother, the blocky head of the Lab might make it hard for her to deliver the pups. I have not known of any such problem. As far as we know, there really is no difference.

02-13-2010, 09:08 AM	#6 (permalink)
Sally Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4	Re: golden doodle parents Thank you for your answers. We have found a breeder we are comfortable with and she has both. The reason I was asking is that I was trying to decide which litter to choose one from. I think my husband and I are close to deciding to get one from each litter. They are due two weeks apart. We have put a deposit on one and after we give ourselves a couple of days to make sure we are not being impulsive we will reserve the second. I have had two dogs in the past and liked having two dogs better than one. My husband is retired and we are ready to start our second family...our family of dogs. They won't be born until March which will give us time to get our fence completed. We are reading the books by the Monks of Skete and are getting excited. I would welcome thoughts about getting two puppies at the same time (different litter, two weeks apart). Thank you, Sally

02-13-2010, 09:40 AM	#7 (permalink)
KingstonTodd Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,005	Re: golden doodle parents I am sure you will get answers both for and against it. We are breeders and we do NOT sell two puppies to one family or to a family with a puppy still under 6 months of age. The number one reason a dog ends up in the humane society or a shelter, and potentially euthanized, is due to bad behaviour. We are very in favour of any doodle family having two doodles, since they are highly sociable dogs and dogs like to have companionship, however, we believe it is critical to have the first puppy trained in basic obedience before adding the second. Trainig two at once is exponentially harder, getting and keeping their attention without one puppy being distracted by the other. Everyone gets their dog(s) thinking they will love it forever and they will never be one of those people who are forced to dump their dog at a shelter, yet it happens by the thousands everyday. The best way to make sure that doesnt become you is to get a puppy, have it trained, and then get a second puppy from the breeders next litter. These dogs will live 12-15 years so having only one dog for 6 months to a year at the begining is not a big deal in the overall picture but it will drastically increase the likelihood that you wil have two well behaved dogs. Just MHO.

02-13-2010, 10:38 AM	#8 (permalink)
Sally Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4	Re: golden doodle parents Thank you for your insight and experienced opinion. We appreciate all the knowledge we can get. I will be eager to hear from other experienced people as well. We appreciate what you have said.

02-13-2010, 03:21 PM	#9 (permalink)
Jac Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: northern California Posts: 9,243	Re: golden doodle parents We got our two girls at the same time, they are littermates...and Todd is right...it is twice the work and twice the destruction ...but I will say this, IF you are committed to training them, they can be great friends. From our experience, I will support what Todd said...our puppies, literally, ate our sofa, two chairs and a futon! (Not on the same day, of course. ) When one found something fun, the other joined in...and if we were not there, total destruction! Now, this was not only bad for the house, and for us...but very dangerous to the pups! So, here is what I have learned...if I had to do it over again...I would still get the two together...but I would train my HUSBAND to help me train the dogs...my husband has always been the easy going type and I would try to train and he would just as quickly untrain...still doing it, in fact. So, my tips...from experience: Always take 10 to 15 minutes to separate each puppy and train one. Then, because your world will always include them both and they must learn to obey, you have to get really good at giving a command (globally) and rewarding the one that obeys...ignoring the one that doesn't. Because training is an ongoing event...you HAVE to do it this way...otherwise, your training is only good while you are training. Also, take your dogs out individually...maybe you could take one of them one day and go for a ride, to the park, shopping, something fun...and your husband can stay at home training and playing with the other...let them get used to the other one leaving with someone so that they don't whine and bark and get upset that they are not going too. They need to get used to being apart. Sometime you will need to take one to the vet, and maybe it will have to stay overnight...and the other will be with out the one...so I would get them used to being kenneled over night alone...just once in a while. (It is harder on the owner than on the dog.) Use crate training! When you are gone, put the pups in separate crates. (Lots of info on this forum about crate training...) Just keep in mind that together, they are twice the love but also twice the work, twice the expense and twice the concern...but on the plus side, they are best friends and really do love each other ... and, to me, it makes the work worthwhile. Also, whether or not you have children in the home, be sure to keep your pups socialized around children in case you do have children visitors... Really, I have success stories with dual placements...so as long as you are prepared, you can enjoy having two!

02-14-2010, 05:44 PM	#10 (permalink)
tuffystar Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Utah Posts: 2,292	Re: golden doodle parents Welcome! I think you have heard some great advice and tips. I can't say about getting two puppies since I only have one doodle and one dog a bit older. I can say I can't imagine training two puppies at once! Tia nearly drove me crazy but things are going very well almost 3 years later. Again welcome.

02-15-2010, 09:12 PM	#11 (permalink)
Sally Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4	Re: golden doodle parents I would like to thank everyone who took the time to reply to my question. I appreciate all of the points of view and we have decided to just get one puppy for now. We may add another one next year but by then this one will be bonded with us and trained. I had two dogs in the past but did not get them together. I had my first one for several years before I got the second and she was already trained. I think it is just practical to get one puppy and give it all we possibly can rather than make the experience more difficult for all by complicating things. We want this to be an enjoyable experience. We won't get our puppy until early May. I will come back on and let you know how we are doing. I will be reading all I can on goldendoodles. We have bought several books by the Monks of New Skete and are enjoying them. I am learning quite a few things I didn't know. Again thank you all so much.

02-15-2010, 10:27 PM	#12 (permalink)
Jac Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: northern California Posts: 9,243	Re: golden doodle parents Good choice...your older dog will help you train the younger one, when the time is right. Looking forward to your return..and puppy pics!

02-16-2010, 12:16 PM	#13 (permalink)
MaxandMe Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Upstate, NY Posts: 15,103	Re: golden doodle parents HI......i think you've made a really wise decision Max we got as a puppy ......when he was 7 mos we brought home Peanut which worked out quite well as Max also was a helper as well in training BUT at same time both were puppies going through various stages and it was like raising toddlers again I had 3 kids in 4yrs and well for me having 2 puppies 5mos apart well i did 24/7 training with both, did OB classes, and it was daily training .......NOW they're 3.5 and 3yrs old. LIFE is easier but at times Max and peanut get refresher courses w/me but at same time they're closely bonded, listen extremely well and are my best buddies/babies. __________________ *Annmarie, Max,& Peanut* "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." Anatole France uncondtional love: what a dog always does for us and humans strive to do but can we?

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