New puppy and kids

mayalily · 03-21-2008, 08:08 PM

Hello,

Our puppy, Maya, is 12 weeks old and just came home this past week. She's doing great but we're having a hard time with the nipping and jumping with our girls. They are 7 and 9 and she seems to see them as play things. Any advice?? Thanks!

seazr · 03-21-2008, 08:19 PM

Oh my . . . god luck with that! Nipping is part of puppiness. Gentle consistant correction is probably your best bet.

Sheila · 03-21-2008, 08:45 PM

You can certainly train Maya to nip less, but puppies do nip a lot. It will definitely get better eventually, as she gets older. We got Pixie at 8w, and I have a 7yo, so I've been through the same thing. She's 8m now, and the nipping is much, much less. She'll rear up and mouth my hand when she wants to play, or when we start out on a walk (because she's so excited). My son will get her riled up and she'll nip then, but she saves most of it for playing with other dogs these days. Also, her puppy teeth fell out at 5m - the adult teeth aren't nearly as sharp!

Maya undoubtedly sees the girls as littermates, rather than as above her in the pack order. You can read up on how dogs establish pack order, it will give you ideas to try at home. One thing I can think of is, when you are all going outside, always make Maya the last one through the door. Make sure you and the girls go out ahead of her.

When Pixie was nipping a lot, sometimes I would grab her muzzle, give it a quick shake, and say sternly, 'NO BITING'. When she licked our hands, we would give her tons of praise and attention, and say 'good kisses!' over and over. Sometimes I would withdraw my hand and offer her a toy to chew on instead.

Pixie still jumps and play-bites with our son. He knows what to do to discourage it, but he likes to play that way with her, so he encourages it. Of course, he occasionally gets mad when she nips too hard, but I remind him that she's just a pup, and doesn't mean to hurt him. If your girls don't want to play that way, obedience training will really help. Sometimes you can find a trainer to come to your home, or you can bring the girls with you to the class and ask the trainer to help you figure out how to discourage the jumping and biting. You'll have to train her for the Down command to help with the jumping. You can also have the trainer show you how to put Maya in a submissive position. I do this occasionally when Pixie gets too excited, to help her calm down. It's good to do this on a daily basis for a while with puppies, too.

Doodlesville · 03-21-2008, 09:44 PM

Wonderful advice Sheila

Additional,,,get the book "be the pack leader " by cesar millian

never ever leave the pup alone with the children,
always supervise,
childen can confuse a pup, by allowing them to get away with things that you are trying to discourage,
everyone needs to be training they same way so as to not confuse the pup,
in my experience a confused pup ,creates a distructive pup,

it will be a bit of a job, but the result will be a happy well adjusted puppy

Sheila · 03-21-2008, 09:50 PM

Nancy, I'm surprised to see what I've learned in the past 6 months!

lmtoth2 · 03-21-2008, 09:51 PM

I agree - great advice Sheila

We don't have kids, but something I've read is to let your daughters feed your puppy. We make both of our doodles sit and wait to eat until we tell them "ok". If your children have some control over Maya's food, I think it will help her see them as dominant.

Doodlesville · 03-21-2008, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheila

Nancy, I'm surprised to see what I've learned in the past 6 months!

LOL you done good!!! learned your lessons well!!!

mayalily · 03-21-2008, 10:50 PM

Thanks for the great advice. We've been having the girls feed her. She's been a little calmer today so I think we're making some inprovement. I've also been working on teaching my daughters to not back away or run when she jumps because she obviously thinks they are playing. This is their first puppy so it's a learning experience for all us!

blueteal · 03-22-2008, 11:50 AM

Welcome to Doodleland
Your puppy is adorable
You have already been given great advice.
Puppyhood is definatley about nipping..............but it will pass

annieG · 03-22-2008, 12:35 PM

Welcome...I just say ditto to the above.

momoftwo · 03-22-2008, 10:38 PM

I loved the book - Raising Puppies & Kids Together: A Guide for Parents by Pia Silvani,Lynn Eckhardt. I checked it out from the library and liked it so well I ended up buying a copy. It has lots of suggestions of great games the children can play with the puppy and talks about common pitfalls and mistakes.

Heather

River Rat · 03-23-2008, 01:32 PM

Before we got our doodle, now 11 months, I picked up "My Smart Puppy" by Sarah Wilson and Brian Kilcommons. It came with a video of short lessons and I sat down with my ten-year-old granddaughter, who's here a lot, and we watched them. She got a lot out of it just in terms of how to discipline, and it helped that it was visual rather than words in a book.

A friend won't pat her dog, or let others do it, if the dog isn't sitting. Might be something to work on, but it's hard with young girls because they want to play sometimes almost as much as the puppy. My granddaughter has been guilty recently of encouraging Chouette to jump up on her or to play more wildly than is good for either.

Leslie

ChasP505 · 03-23-2008, 01:51 PM

Yeaahhh... as others have said, it's all about understanding the pack order. You have to let them know who is the "Alpha" and who is higher up on the social ladder from early on.

I always tried to correct my pups the way their mother or a mature dog would... I would hold them firmly by the scruff of the neck (not by the collar and never shaking them) and look them square in the eye, nose to nose. I would force the pup into a submissive position still looking up at me with direct eye contact. Sometimes I'll even growl at the pup while holding it securely. But I never hit or shake, even if the correction is for biting. It's worked for me with 3 Siberian Huskies, 2 Labs, and now Ozzie. (I've had more dogs, but they were adopted adult dogs, already trained.)

**MaxandMe** · 03-23-2008, 03:42 PM

welcome and hi Bronwyn ----and Maya is beautiful

you've gotten some good advice...and i guess it is a trial and error with what works best with you and Maya.

max just listened to NO
Peanut was made to sit 5 to 10 , several times a day and settle to get attention

Beau ...folding arms and walking away works best with him
and once in while make him sit or lie down next to me and settle completely down or no attention

03-21-2008, 08:08 PM	#1 (permalink)
mayalily Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 15	New puppy and kids Hello, Our puppy, Maya, is 12 weeks old and just came home this past week. She's doing great but we're having a hard time with the nipping and jumping with our girls. They are 7 and 9 and she seems to see them as play things. Any advice?? Thanks! __________________ Bronwyn and Maya

03-21-2008, 08:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
seazr Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sacramento Posts: 2,971	Oh my . . . god luck with that! Nipping is part of puppiness. Gentle consistant correction is probably your best bet. __________________ Diane (and Dakota) http://s42.photobucket.com/albums/e304/seazr/

03-21-2008, 09:51 PM	#6 (permalink)
lmtoth2 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,920	I agree - great advice Sheila We don't have kids, but something I've read is to let your daughters feed your puppy. We make both of our doodles sit and wait to eat until we tell them "ok". If your children have some control over Maya's food, I think it will help her see them as dominant. __________________ Leslie

03-21-2008, 10:50 PM	#8 (permalink)
mayalily Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 15	Thanks for the great advice. We've been having the girls feed her. She's been a little calmer today so I think we're making some inprovement. I've also been working on teaching my daughters to not back away or run when she jumps because she obviously thinks they are playing. This is their first puppy so it's a learning experience for all us! __________________ Bronwyn and Maya

03-22-2008, 12:35 PM	#10 (permalink)
annieG Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: South Carolina Posts: 2,929	Welcome...I just say ditto to the above. __________________ AnnieG & Tanner

03-21-2008, 08:45 PM	#3 (permalink)
Sheila Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 143	You can certainly train Maya to nip less, but puppies do nip a lot. It will definitely get better eventually, as she gets older. We got Pixie at 8w, and I have a 7yo, so I've been through the same thing. She's 8m now, and the nipping is much, much less. She'll rear up and mouth my hand when she wants to play, or when we start out on a walk (because she's so excited). My son will get her riled up and she'll nip then, but she saves most of it for playing with other dogs these days. Also, her puppy teeth fell out at 5m - the adult teeth aren't nearly as sharp! Maya undoubtedly sees the girls as littermates, rather than as above her in the pack order. You can read up on how dogs establish pack order, it will give you ideas to try at home. One thing I can think of is, when you are all going outside, always make Maya the last one through the door. Make sure you and the girls go out ahead of her. When Pixie was nipping a lot, sometimes I would grab her muzzle, give it a quick shake, and say sternly, 'NO BITING'. When she licked our hands, we would give her tons of praise and attention, and say 'good kisses!' over and over. Sometimes I would withdraw my hand and offer her a toy to chew on instead. Pixie still jumps and play-bites with our son. He knows what to do to discourage it, but he likes to play that way with her, so he encourages it. Of course, he occasionally gets mad when she nips too hard, but I remind him that she's just a pup, and doesn't mean to hurt him. If your girls don't want to play that way, obedience training will really help. Sometimes you can find a trainer to come to your home, or you can bring the girls with you to the class and ask the trainer to help you figure out how to discourage the jumping and biting. You'll have to train her for the Down command to help with the jumping. You can also have the trainer show you how to put Maya in a submissive position. I do this occasionally when Pixie gets too excited, to help her calm down. It's good to do this on a daily basis for a while with puppies, too.

03-21-2008, 09:44 PM	#4 (permalink)
Doodlesville Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: North Carolina/Virginia Posts: 2,740	Wonderful advice Sheila Additional,,,get the book "be the pack leader " by cesar millian never ever leave the pup alone with the children, always supervise, childen can confuse a pup, by allowing them to get away with things that you are trying to discourage, everyone needs to be training they same way so as to not confuse the pup, in my experience a confused pup ,creates a distructive pup, it will be a bit of a job, but the result will be a happy well adjusted puppy

03-21-2008, 09:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
Sheila Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 143	Nancy, I'm surprised to see what I've learned in the past 6 months!

03-22-2008, 11:50 AM	#9 (permalink)
blueteal Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,334	Welcome to Doodleland Your puppy is adorable You have already been given great advice. Puppyhood is definatley about nipping..............but it will pass

03-22-2008, 10:38 PM	#11 (permalink)
momoftwo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 273	I loved the book - Raising Puppies & Kids Together: A Guide for Parents by Pia Silvani,Lynn Eckhardt. I checked it out from the library and liked it so well I ended up buying a copy. It has lots of suggestions of great games the children can play with the puppy and talks about common pitfalls and mistakes. Heather

03-23-2008, 01:32 PM	#12 (permalink)
River Rat Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 983	Before we got our doodle, now 11 months, I picked up "My Smart Puppy" by Sarah Wilson and Brian Kilcommons. It came with a video of short lessons and I sat down with my ten-year-old granddaughter, who's here a lot, and we watched them. She got a lot out of it just in terms of how to discipline, and it helped that it was visual rather than words in a book. A friend won't pat her dog, or let others do it, if the dog isn't sitting. Might be something to work on, but it's hard with young girls because they want to play sometimes almost as much as the puppy. My granddaughter has been guilty recently of encouraging Chouette to jump up on her or to play more wildly than is good for either. Leslie __________________ \Portraits http://www.leslieficcaglia.org \ \Wild and Scenic http://mauriceriver.igc.org/ \

03-23-2008, 01:51 PM	#13 (permalink)
ChasP505 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 659	Yeaahhh... as others have said, it's all about understanding the pack order. You have to let them know who is the "Alpha" and who is higher up on the social ladder from early on. I always tried to correct my pups the way their mother or a mature dog would... I would hold them firmly by the scruff of the neck (not by the collar and never shaking them) and look them square in the eye, nose to nose. I would force the pup into a submissive position still looking up at me with direct eye contact. Sometimes I'll even growl at the pup while holding it securely. But I never hit or shake, even if the correction is for biting. It's worked for me with 3 Siberian Huskies, 2 Labs, and now Ozzie. (I've had more dogs, but they were adopted adult dogs, already trained.) __________________ Chas P., Carol and Ozzie

03-23-2008, 03:42 PM	#14 (permalink)
MaxandMe Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Upstate, NY Posts: 15,103	welcome and hi Bronwyn ----and Maya is beautiful you've gotten some good advice...and i guess it is a trial and error with what works best with you and Maya. max just listened to NO Peanut was made to sit 5 to 10 , several times a day and settle to get attention Beau ...folding arms and walking away works best with him and once in while make him sit or lie down next to me and settle completely down or no attention __________________ *Annmarie, Max,& Peanut* "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." Anatole France uncondtional love: what a dog always does for us and humans strive to do but can we?

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