Chocolate Doodle with Cream Undertones???

LucyWhitePaw · 05-05-2010, 04:12 PM

I just noticed, while outside, today that Lucy's face is getting lighter and the fur on her back has cream colored fur all mixed in! To look at her (esp in the house), she looks all chocolate, so I was shocked to see so much cream underneath!! He mom is an AKC chocolate lab and her dad is an AKC cream standard poodle. Is this normal?

Here are pics to show you what I mean. The close-up actually makes her look creamier than she really is, but I am having a hard time capturing it like I see it!

Fur on face:

Fur on back, when I separate it:

Really makes me wonder what the heck she is going to look like once she blows her coat! The suspense is killing me! :P

**KingstonTodd** · 05-05-2010, 04:22 PM

First, congrats again on a very cute doodle. It is very common for a chocolate doodle to fade to a lighter colour, blond through to almost white. It can be only on his/her face or it can occur all over the body as well. It is called cafe, lavender, and parchment, depending on the amount of fading. You can google image search for examples if you like. It's actually harder to get a chocolate to stay dark brown. I'll post a pic of one of our puppies that was born chocolate and faded.

Here is Hercules at a year old, faded very nicely:

LucyWhitePaw · 05-05-2010, 04:37 PM

No way! I had no idea that a dark brown chocolate could fade like that! Hercules is gorgeous, so I guess I won't mind Lucy fading after all. I can't wait to see your puppy that was born chocolate like Lucy and faded. I have a feeling, colors will be changing around here! I am pretty excited.

Thanks for sharing with me!

Jac · 05-05-2010, 07:25 PM

Yes, Todd is right, it is common for chocolate dogs to fade. My standard Poodle was very dark chocolate and we thought that he would hold his color but after about 4 years he started to fade. He is very different in his coloring...you can't tell by the pics but he has an unusual "frosted" look...one vet I took him to (she was a breeder) said, "Look at his beautiful coloring! I have never seen anything like this...if he is a breeder, you have an excellent color!" (I was so happy!)

**KingstonTodd** · 05-05-2010, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jac

Yes, Todd is right, it is common for chocolate dogs to fade. My standard Poodle was very dark chocolate and we thought that he would hold his color but after about 4 years he started to fade. He is very different in his coloring...you can't tell by the pics but he has an unusual "frosted" look...one vet I took him to (she was a breeder) said, "Look at his beautiful coloring! I have never seen anything like this...if he is a breeder, you have an excellent color!" (I was so happy!)

I think this post really needs a picture to accompany it.

LucyWhitePaw · 05-05-2010, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KingstonTodd

I think this post really needs a picture to accompany it.

I couldn't agree more!

Jac · 05-06-2010, 02:00 PM

hahaha...okay, you asked for it...

My dark chocolate Chase:

Now, faded...the picture doesn't do him justice...he is still a very handsome boy!

kirama · 05-06-2010, 04:48 PM

so far Beck hasn't faded but he gets 'sun bleached' his fur gets quite light (reddish gold) on his muzzle and the front of his legs, but the fur on his body doesn't seem to lighten, nor do his ears.

**KingstonTodd** · 05-06-2010, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jac

Now, faded...the picture doesn't do him justice...he is still a very handsome boy!

Thanks Jac, I cant remember the last time I saw a picture of Chase, I almost forget you have him. Is he getting a lot of use for you? He is very cute. Is he faded to blonde lie laveder/parchment or is he silvering? I think those are two different lightening processes.

**KingstonTodd** · 05-06-2010, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kirama

so far Beck hasn't faded but he gets 'sun bleached' his fur gets quite light (reddish gold) on his muzzle and the front of his legs, but the fur on his body doesn't seem to lighten, nor do his ears.

Oh, I think we need a picture of this too. Hershey has a distinct reddish hue to her brown too.

LucyWhitePaw · 05-06-2010, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jac

hahaha...okay, you asked for it...

My dark chocolate Chase:

Now, faded...the picture doesn't do him justice...he is still a very handsome boy!

Holy wow! He lightened up tremendously since he was a puppy. It will be interesting to see what Lucy's fur does. Is it a good characteristic to have a chocolate fade? Or doesn't it matter? Just wondering what the general consensus on that is?

**KingstonTodd** · 05-06-2010, 08:06 PM

Doodles are not show dogs, and there is no good or bad with regard to colour. Its all personal preference and I like both

Jac · 05-06-2010, 08:18 PM

Thanks...Todd, he is more of a parchment but with brown streaks though...it is pretty up close. I will always have him...he is my baby boy...but we rarely use him. We don't have any F1s breeding now...

It is my understanding that chocolate Labs hold their color and chocolate Poodles fade. I think that is because so many Pooldes carry dilute genes and Labs don't. So, it should depend on the genetics...Lab or Poodle.

LucyWhitePaw · 05-06-2010, 08:25 PM

I am learning so much here!

I am in love with personality, so color doesn't matter so much to me. I just never had a clue that she would/could change!

texasheathers · 05-21-2010, 07:09 PM

Wow - the parent dogs with an upcoming litter are both cafe colored - seeing this post makes me all the more excited about it!! More pictures please!! LOL!!! I'm going to see if I can find a good photo of a parchment or lavender... the cafe color is gorgeous....

05-05-2010, 04:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
LucyWhitePaw Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 108	Chocolate Doodle with Cream Undertones??? I just noticed, while outside, today that Lucy's face is getting lighter and the fur on her back has cream colored fur all mixed in! To look at her (esp in the house), she looks all chocolate, so I was shocked to see so much cream underneath!! He mom is an AKC chocolate lab and her dad is an AKC cream standard poodle. Is this normal? Here are pics to show you what I mean. The close-up actually makes her look creamier than she really is, but I am having a hard time capturing it like I see it! Fur on face: Fur on back, when I separate it: Really makes me wonder what the heck she is going to look like once she blows her coat! The suspense is killing me! :P

05-05-2010, 04:22 PM	#2 (permalink)
KingstonTodd Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,005	Re: Chocolate Doodle with Cream Undertones??? First, congrats again on a very cute doodle. It is very common for a chocolate doodle to fade to a lighter colour, blond through to almost white. It can be only on his/her face or it can occur all over the body as well. It is called cafe, lavender, and parchment, depending on the amount of fading. You can google image search for examples if you like. It's actually harder to get a chocolate to stay dark brown. I'll post a pic of one of our puppies that was born chocolate and faded. Here is Hercules at a year old, faded very nicely:

05-05-2010, 04:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
LucyWhitePaw Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 108	Re: Chocolate Doodle with Cream Undertones??? No way! I had no idea that a dark brown chocolate could fade like that! Hercules is gorgeous, so I guess I won't mind Lucy fading after all. I can't wait to see your puppy that was born chocolate like Lucy and faded. I have a feeling, colors will be changing around here! I am pretty excited. Thanks for sharing with me!

05-05-2010, 07:25 PM	#4 (permalink)
Jac Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: northern California Posts: 9,243	Re: Chocolate Doodle with Cream Undertones??? Yes, Todd is right, it is common for chocolate dogs to fade. My standard Poodle was very dark chocolate and we thought that he would hold his color but after about 4 years he started to fade. He is very different in his coloring...you can't tell by the pics but he has an unusual "frosted" look...one vet I took him to (she was a breeder) said, "Look at his beautiful coloring! I have never seen anything like this...if he is a breeder, you have an excellent color!" (I was so happy!)

05-06-2010, 02:00 PM	#7 (permalink)
Jac Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: northern California Posts: 9,243	Re: Chocolate Doodle with Cream Undertones??? hahaha...okay, you asked for it... My dark chocolate Chase: Now, faded...the picture doesn't do him justice...he is still a very handsome boy!

05-06-2010, 04:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
kirama Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 858	Re: Chocolate Doodle with Cream Undertones??? so far Beck hasn't faded but he gets 'sun bleached' his fur gets quite light (reddish gold) on his muzzle and the front of his legs, but the fur on his body doesn't seem to lighten, nor do his ears. __________________

05-06-2010, 08:06 PM	#12 (permalink)
KingstonTodd Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,005	Re: Chocolate Doodle with Cream Undertones??? Doodles are not show dogs, and there is no good or bad with regard to colour. Its all personal preference and I like both

05-06-2010, 08:18 PM	#13 (permalink)
Jac Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: northern California Posts: 9,243	Re: Chocolate Doodle with Cream Undertones??? Thanks...Todd, he is more of a parchment but with brown streaks though...it is pretty up close. I will always have him...he is my baby boy...but we rarely use him. We don't have any F1s breeding now... It is my understanding that chocolate Labs hold their color and chocolate Poodles fade. I think that is because so many Pooldes carry dilute genes and Labs don't. So, it should depend on the genetics...Lab or Poodle.

05-06-2010, 08:25 PM	#14 (permalink)
LucyWhitePaw Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 108	Re: Chocolate Doodle with Cream Undertones??? I am learning so much here! I am in love with personality, so color doesn't matter so much to me. I just never had a clue that she would/could change!

05-21-2010, 07:09 PM	#15 (permalink)
texasheathers Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Crosby, TX Posts: 42	Re: Chocolate Doodle with Cream Undertones??? Wow - the parent dogs with an upcoming litter are both cafe colored - seeing this post makes me all the more excited about it!! More pictures please!! LOL!!! I'm going to see if I can find a good photo of a parchment or lavender... the cafe color is gorgeous....

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