this just amazed me

[Doodlesville]

I get this email from someone i have never heard of

Hello i have a litter of min aussiedoodle puppies i was just wondering if
you could tell me a little bit about there adult personalities. Do you
normaly leave their tails. They are the cuteist little things. Do they
seem to take more of the poodle or aussie trates. I thought i would try
to get a little more info about them before they go so i could let the new
owners know. thank you for your time Jodie

I was in shock,, i probably shouldnt have even replied to her
but you know me i did,,

I think that is info you should have found out BEFORE you bred the litter,
not to be rude,, but who are you?

What are these people thinking???

[mtd885]

What are these people thinking???

THINKING!!! I Think not
As we have seen here on this sight the world has an overabundance of people who became experts--ONLINE!
The information age is here. We all have access to more information than we can absorb. People who read of your success and the success of others on this board, that have no business breeding dogs, convince themselves, THEY TOO CAN DO IT. NFW!!! If I were King I'd make EVERY BREEDER part of a National or State Registry with policing powers to enforce policy. All animals would be registered regardless of genealogy. That would eliminate puppy mills and dishonest breeders like the one we shared an experience with!!! The sincere honest and caring breeders like yourself who test, do research to improve the progeny would be rewarded with REAL ACCREDITATION!

[Doodlesville]

Im just heartbroken that these people think you just throw two dogs together and waallaaa MONEY,,

As hard as the ILA as well as others are striving to have AKC recognize this breed, (which they are trying to figure a way to do this by the way)

Im not big on registerys, This is doing my part in not feeding the money making AKC monopoly,, as well as promote MORE Breeders breeding haphazardly they have ruined the ones that are now registere with them "purebred" blahhaa, nothing is purebred all were mixed with other breeds to produce all breeds!!! ( i realize this was not the type you were talking bout)

Not sure what you propose would even ever be possible,
I truly believe that everyone needs to research and question,,feel comfortable with who they purchase from and understand all policies ect

Right now im just shocked ,,why i dont know,,i see it all the time,
I could have said alot more but i just didnt want to even waste my time !!

[MaxandMe]

I have seen many come to this forum asking HOW and what to breed etc
come on......go do research! apprentice with another breeder etc
then ask which tests, why and where to advertise

in what business start up do other people do the work for you???
helllo? hhahaaaaaaaaaa

then there's the breeder already in business like Nancy described that doesn't know a thing ...makes me want to scream!!!

the worst kind of breeding is when someone takes shelter dogs and/or strays , does no testing and just breeds them

ok getting off podium now

[Doodlesville]

Stay on you podium AnnMarie,, im still fuming,,LOL

[Doodlesville]

OMG OMG she replied to me,,LOL

I found out as much as i could before i bred my fe. There is not many
resources is use for this cross of dog. I tried to e-mail you before
several months ago and it would not go through. i am a vet. tec. I have
raised litters of puppies before. I am sorry i wasted your time and if
you were going to be rude you should have never wrote me back.

1st i dont think ,,heck im sure im was not as rude as i could be
AND
she is a vet tech??? now thats scary

[annieG]

Nancy,

I hope your telling them did some good but I doubt it...There is just no limit to IGNORANCE.

[Doodlesville]

Originally Posted by annieG

Nancy,

I hope your telling them did some good but I doubt it...There is just no limit to IGNORANCE.

thanks annie,, reading this email it doesnt seem so,,
just went completly over her head

[Jac]

Originally Posted by mtd885

What are these people thinking???

THINKING!!! I Think not
As we have seen here on this sight the world has an overabundance of people who became experts--ONLINE!
The information age is here. We all have access to more information than we can absorb. People who read of your success and the success of others on this board, that have no business breeding dogs, convince themselves, THEY TOO CAN DO IT. NFW!!! If I were King I'd make EVERY BREEDER part of a National or State Registry with policing powers to enforce policy. All animals would be registered regardless of genealogy. That would eliminate puppy mills and dishonest breeders like the one we shared an experience with!!! The sincere honest and caring breeders like yourself who test, do research to improve the progeny would be rewarded with REAL ACCREDITATION!

Agreed!
I have always been amazed that the states demanding spay/neuter programs don't focus on mandatory registration and documentation of breeding dogs...not sterilization. Accountability, that is the key. Breeders need to be accountable to their customers and the customers need to be accountable to the authorities if their dogs end up in shelters...now, how does that stop this type of "breeder"?
Just like licensing hair dressers or vet techs or others...licensing requires you to qualify by obtaining a level of expertise, it keeps a record of you so that if someone has a valid complaint the state can address it and it makes all breeders responsible for the profession they have selected.
People have been required to register and qualify for many things, and by requiring a registry for dog breeders, we would insure that everyone in that industry would follow the health and safety regulations as well as an ethical code.

Nancy...I agree with you. I was shocked to see what this person wrote! Although, it should not suprise me...it happens all the time and I believe that this person was so innocent that they had no clue it was wrong! That is the problem...I don't think that this person would have intentionally done this wrong...but she, like so many other new breeders, believe that you put dogs together...you get puppies...you sell puppies...you get money. Sad, but true.
It is all in the education process...it takes time, patience and hard heads to get through to these people...but we keep trying...one person at a time.

[Tink]

Considering how many treat their OWN offspring, I don't see the states being able to do anything about breeders for a long LONG time.

Wisconsin is awful in how lax they are on animal welfare laws. One of the most well known puppy millers who has been in business for 30+ yrs and has had a huge number of complaints filed against him, has had tv crews showing his operation and has been interviewed numerous times about his business is still in operation openly.

I really think the only thing that has ANY chance of helping is to educate the public as much as possible so fewer of them are willing to buy from bad breeders. If you take away the profit, they will stop since that's the incentive they keep aiming for.

[Jac]

That's true, Tink...I guess we can't legislate morals...*sigh*

I don't think that they will ever pass legislation telling people how to care for their animals, but they can pass legislation that makes the owners financially liable for the puppy if it is abandoned or worse.

I just think that if every commercial breeder (anyone selling puppies, even through newspaper ads) were required to get a commercial license that required good record keeping, such as the names of breeders, microchip or other permanent identificaiton of all puppies born, record keeping showing who bought the puppy and any transfer of ownership to be reported and recorded. Then require all puppy sales entities (brokers, pet stores, etc.) to comply with this too...they would be mandated to deal only with dogs properly identified and registered, and they would have to keep the same records...who bought the pup, etc...THEN when a puppy ends up being abused or abandoned (or lost or stolen) the microchip could trace the dog to all of those people responsible for his/her care and well being. Those who have mistreated or abandoned the dogs will be liable for the damages to that life...breeders will get the dog returned when the match is made and everyone becomes more accountable.
Then breeders and sellers might be more careful about who they sell pups to...because they would still be liable.

[Tink]

That would be the ideal Jac, but I can't see it happening in the near future.

[Jac]

hahaha, Oh, I know that it is a pipe dream, Tink...but I always use every opportunity to say it...you just never know!

By the way, that dog in your avatar is a cutie pie!

[Tink]

Thanks Jac, that's one of my babies from Canada and Moses last fall. He's about 10 months old in the photo. I too think he's quite handsome.

[MerNor]

I wonder what kind of response that lady thought she was going to get when she emails you anyway? Speaking as a potential breeder (in 10 years after I've apprenticed/ work closely with an experienced breeder for at least 5 litters), I can't imagine taking on the responsibility helping to develop any dog breed with out having done careful research, owned at least one dog of my prospective breed, met many of the breed, learned about genetics and the diseases associated with the dog breed, and apprenticed for quite a long time.

It would be really good if associations like the International Australian Labradoodle Association offered courses on their breed (maybe the do and I just don't know about it). I'm just the owner of a three and a half month old LD pup and I've learned a lot of what I know from the Internet (and this forum). I totally agree that you can't decide that you have all it takes to be a breeder just from reading and learning things, but all the same knowledge is a good foundation to have in place when you start getting experience!

I have a whole theory of how dog breeding should be organized too (sorry if this totally bores everyone). I think that their should be clubs or foundations witch are run by educated, experienced breeders. My theory is that you shouldn't be able to buy an unspayed or neutered pup unless you are a member of the organization and have signed a legal contract to do the testing outlined by the club (this should include personality, temperament and coat testing) and breed your dog only to dogs which are also registered with the club and who have been approved as a good match with your dog on all levels (including temperament). You should also be required to spay or neuter the dog if they do not meet club standards on any of the tests. You should also be required to take a class on dog care, puppy care and socialization etc.

I think that breeding can be very complex and that there are a lot of people who would like to do their little bit towards furthering a fantastic breed in a good way but who simply do not have the expertise required to make a lot of those decisions. Fore example, I would NEVER want to breed dogs that were not kept in my house, but you can also only have so many dogs in the house (my limit would be four if I had a very large house)... these numbers make it really hard to develop a sophisticated breeding program. I've talked with a few breeders who solve this problem with foster families which is a great idea I think. But (in my humble and I remind you not even remotely professional opinion) cooperation is key!

Anyway.. sorry to ramble on. I recently met a really nice couple from Germany (on the ferry when picking up Hagrid actually) who told me about the German system which is very similar to the one I just outlined and I was captured by the idea. I'd love to breed but know what a huge responsibility and time/ money commitment it is.. so I was trying to dream up ways I could help in a slightly smaller way!