breeder to breeder....

Maureen · 05-09-2006, 02:14 PM

hi, if you all are buying a dog or puppy from another breeder, what paperwork and/or info do you ask for?

I have been talking to a breeder about a possible candidate for our program, and I'm wondering about this. I know to ask for CERF/OFA and AKC info but what else?

one more little thing...does anyone know the exchange rate for CA or where to find it?

thank you in advance!!

Keith · 05-09-2006, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maureen

one more little thing...does anyone know the exchange rate for CA or where to find it?

http://www.x-rates.com/

Jac · 05-09-2006, 10:03 PM

Hi Maureen....I think that the most important thing to find out is what is the contract regarding health of the puppy as it relates to breeding.

As you know, pedigree and health testing for the parents are important factors and should be determined up front, but what if you test for things that your breeder doesn't and if you determine that the puppy is not a good candidate for breeding? This can be subjective, so I'd spell it out very clearly in the contract...to protect both parties.

Everything else is on a case by case basis...depending on who you are working with, what you know of that person's credibility, etc. But you should always consider what will happen if the deal doesn't work out. And then you will know what to address in the contract. This will protect you and the breeder as well.

Good luck!

Maureen · 05-09-2006, 10:24 PM

great point! Thanks Jac

I spoke with a breeder/friend today...she suggested that if the price is "breeder price" (2x or 3x) that there be an option to refund the difference between breeder price and pet price if the agreed-upon criteria weren't met. i.e, if hips were supposed to be 'Good' or better, and turned out 'Fair' that the difference between the 2 prices would be refunded.

What do you think of that?

Jac · 05-09-2006, 10:30 PM

Okay, now you are hitting right on the problem I had...we need to talk!

I am going to call you...now! LOL

gracielou · 05-14-2006, 10:31 PM

Who was that breeder friend you were talking to???

I think one very important rule for all of us is to trust the person you are working with Diane and I have a great working relationship, I love working with Dixie some of you I know and would work with, but sit back and think about who it is you are doing business with and if you can trust them to honor what they say they will after all it just a contract how do any of us know this would stand up in a court of Law, Jac maybe we could put you on retainer...

Jac · 05-14-2006, 10:52 PM

Well, I am learning all the time...and when I spoke with Maureen and found out who she is dealing with, I relaxed...knowing that she can't go wrong...you are sooooo right...look at the person you are dealing with!
In my case, there were LOTS of issues and that is why I wanted to discuss it with Maureen...but you know what I had to say because you and I have had some great conversations and you have helped me so much. I am very jealous of the wonderful relationship you have with Di...and the two of you are an inspiration to me.
I personally look forward to working with you both some day in the not-too-distant future!

Maureen · 05-14-2006, 10:57 PM

well, I love talking to ALL of you guys! Lee Ann, Diane, Linda, Jacque, you guys are my peeps!

I did hear of a puppy that sounded PERFECT for me - but he went to someone else - but I didn't know much of anything about that breeder, nor did she know me so I have been asking about how to work with someone on a strictly contractual basis...thus Jacque is "on retainer"

...the truth is all of us have a different perspective so we learn so well from each other.

I honestly don't know where I'd be without my breeding friends and colleagues.

Jac · 05-14-2006, 11:05 PM

DITTO!!

gracielou · 05-14-2006, 11:07 PM

I feel the same way!!!! So Double Doodle Ditto!!!!!

dixiedi · 05-15-2006, 12:36 AM

Well, I've kinda missed out on this one but I want to add my double doodle dittos in here

Maureen, did you get my e-mail about Maggie & Mikko's puppies? They are absolutely GORGEOUS!!!!

sleepyhollowkennel · 05-16-2006, 10:52 PM

Thanks, I feel the same about you all too!

Sarah · 05-17-2006, 06:48 PM

dixiedi, have just had a nosey on your website at Maggie & Mikko's puppies, I just couldn't resist! They are beautiful. what a lovely selection of colours, congratulations!

dixiedi · 05-17-2006, 09:35 PM

Thanks Sarah

Mikko and Maggie are a good match colorwise anyways, now we'll just see how the coats turn out, this is Mikko's first litter of babies and Maggie's first litter of doodle babies

05-09-2006, 02:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
Maureen Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,810	breeder to breeder.... hi, if you all are buying a dog or puppy from another breeder, what paperwork and/or info do you ask for? I have been talking to a breeder about a possible candidate for our program, and I'm wondering about this. I know to ask for CERF/OFA and AKC info but what else? one more little thing...does anyone know the exchange rate for CA or where to find it? thank you in advance!! __________________ ~Maureen LabradoodleRanch@aol.com www.LabradoodleRanch.com

05-09-2006, 10:24 PM	#4 (permalink)
Maureen Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,810	great point! Thanks Jac I spoke with a breeder/friend today...she suggested that if the price is "breeder price" (2x or 3x) that there be an option to refund the difference between breeder price and pet price if the agreed-upon criteria weren't met. i.e, if hips were supposed to be 'Good' or better, and turned out 'Fair' that the difference between the 2 prices would be refunded. What do you think of that? __________________ ~Maureen LabradoodleRanch@aol.com www.LabradoodleRanch.com

05-14-2006, 10:31 PM	#6 (permalink)
gracielou Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Kansas Posts: 1,366	Who was that breeder friend you were talking to??? I think one very important rule for all of us is to trust the person you are working with Diane and I have a great working relationship, I love working with Dixie some of you I know and would work with, but sit back and think about who it is you are doing business with and if you can trust them to honor what they say they will after all it just a contract how do any of us know this would stand up in a court of Law, Jac maybe we could put you on retainer... __________________ Linda & Gracielou Valley Center, KS http://www.4pawslabradoodles.com

05-14-2006, 10:57 PM	#8 (permalink)
Maureen Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,810	well, I love talking to ALL of you guys! Lee Ann, Diane, Linda, Jacque, you guys are my peeps! I did hear of a puppy that sounded PERFECT for me - but he went to someone else - but I didn't know much of anything about that breeder, nor did she know me so I have been asking about how to work with someone on a strictly contractual basis...thus Jacque is "on retainer" ...the truth is all of us have a different perspective so we learn so well from each other. I honestly don't know where I'd be without my breeding friends and colleagues. __________________ ~Maureen LabradoodleRanch@aol.com www.LabradoodleRanch.com

05-14-2006, 11:07 PM	#10 (permalink)
gracielou Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Kansas Posts: 1,366	I feel the same way!!!! So Double Doodle Ditto!!!!! __________________ Linda & Gracielou Valley Center, KS http://www.4pawslabradoodles.com

05-09-2006, 10:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
Jac Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: northern California Posts: 9,243	Hi Maureen....I think that the most important thing to find out is what is the contract regarding health of the puppy as it relates to breeding. As you know, pedigree and health testing for the parents are important factors and should be determined up front, but what if you test for things that your breeder doesn't and if you determine that the puppy is not a good candidate for breeding? This can be subjective, so I'd spell it out very clearly in the contract...to protect both parties. Everything else is on a case by case basis...depending on who you are working with, what you know of that person's credibility, etc. But you should always consider what will happen if the deal doesn't work out. And then you will know what to address in the contract. This will protect you and the breeder as well. Good luck!

05-09-2006, 10:30 PM	#5 (permalink)
Jac Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: northern California Posts: 9,243	Okay, now you are hitting right on the problem I had...we need to talk! I am going to call you...now! LOL

05-14-2006, 10:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
Jac Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: northern California Posts: 9,243	Well, I am learning all the time...and when I spoke with Maureen and found out who she is dealing with, I relaxed...knowing that she can't go wrong...you are sooooo right...look at the person you are dealing with! In my case, there were LOTS of issues and that is why I wanted to discuss it with Maureen...but you know what I had to say because you and I have had some great conversations and you have helped me so much. I am very jealous of the wonderful relationship you have with Di...and the two of you are an inspiration to me. I personally look forward to working with you both some day in the not-too-distant future!

05-14-2006, 11:05 PM	#9 (permalink)
Jac Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: northern California Posts: 9,243	DITTO!!

05-15-2006, 12:36 AM	#11 (permalink)
dixiedi Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Kansas Posts: 1,254	Well, I've kinda missed out on this one but I want to add my double doodle dittos in here Maureen, did you get my e-mail about Maggie & Mikko's puppies? They are absolutely GORGEOUS!!!! __________________ Di & Archie If you want to feel rich, just count all of the things you have that money can't buy...

05-16-2006, 10:52 PM	#12 (permalink)
sleepyhollowkennel Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Warrensburg, Missouri Posts: 158	Thanks, I feel the same about you all too! __________________ Lee Ann Biesemeyer Sleepy Hollow Dog Kennels Warrensburg, Missouri

05-17-2006, 06:48 PM	#13 (permalink)
Sarah Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK. Posts: 56	dixiedi, have just had a nosey on your website at Maggie & Mikko's puppies, I just couldn't resist! They are beautiful. what a lovely selection of colours, congratulations! __________________ ~Sarah~

05-17-2006, 09:35 PM	#14 (permalink)
dixiedi Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Kansas Posts: 1,254	Thanks Sarah Mikko and Maggie are a good match colorwise anyways, now we'll just see how the coats turn out, this is Mikko's first litter of babies and Maggie's first litter of doodle babies __________________ Di & Archie If you want to feel rich, just count all of the things you have that money can't buy...

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