Can We Revisit Coat Color??

Mhyles30 · 04-24-2008, 01:40 PM

Hello All!

I know this has been discussed before but I was wondering how I can aim for chocolate labradoodles.

I have a standard chocolate poodle who will be ready to be bred by the end of the year. For the first litter I am planning to get her bred by a lab so I will get F1 puppies. I found a lab owner, she has two stud labs-yellow and chocolate. Both have hip/elbow and Cerf certifications. The owner had not done any DNA(color testing) on both dogs. I guess I am trying to get your opinions/experiences on breeding which color to what, and see where I will get a better chance in getting chocolate F1's. Do you think I will get a better chance getting chocolates by breeding my poodle to the yellow lab or the chocolate lab? My poodle's pedigree has chocolates and blacks. I was thinking I should get my poodle bred to the yellow lab instead of the chocolate so I won't get so many blacks. I am aiming for chocolate as I am hoping to keep a chocolate female from that litter.

I hope I am not so confusing

Thanks for the response.

Mhyles

Lucky Me · 04-24-2008, 01:50 PM

I believe Chocolate to chocolate would give you all chocolates.....someone please correct me if I am wrong.

**MaxandMe** · 04-24-2008, 02:09 PM

ok without knowing the genetic makeup
meaning bbEe or bbee for a chocoate dog

wait does your chocolate std poodle have a black or pink nose?

the guide on Vetgen is good....shows color of dog with noses
thus giving an Indicator of possible breeding color schems

http://www.vetgen.com/chromagene-coat-color2.html

so what it shows is anywhere from ALL CHOCOLATES to
%age of choc and % of creams (aka reds, tans/yellows/etc)

the last thing to mention though is hidden recessive genes
which is the "roulette" chance in genetics.

Mhyles30 · 04-24-2008, 02:17 PM

My poodle has liver/chocolate nose-I am not sure if that is considered pink? Will the Pawsitive ID tell me the color she carries?

Tink · 04-24-2008, 02:45 PM

I've got a chocolate standard poodle male with a liver nose (and 5 generations of chocloate and apricot behind him) and just bought a chocolate Lab female with a liver nose (and 5 generations of chocolate with a single black behind her) since my understanding is that this the surest way to get chocolates. I hope I'm right. I did bet my money on it when I bought them. LOL

Good luck!

**MaxandMe** · 04-24-2008, 03:07 PM

meant to say LIVER nose hahhaaaaaaaa
pink is the old term

Diane at DVL · 04-24-2008, 04:36 PM

Check out this article...it gives examples to help you understand the vetgen chart better.

http://www.laa.org.au/downloads/news_le ... V_2004.pdf

Goodluck! (my site is under construction...coming soon!)

04-24-2008, 01:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mhyles30 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pueblo West, CO Posts: 105	Can We Revisit Coat Color?? Hello All! I know this has been discussed before but I was wondering how I can aim for chocolate labradoodles. I have a standard chocolate poodle who will be ready to be bred by the end of the year. For the first litter I am planning to get her bred by a lab so I will get F1 puppies. I found a lab owner, she has two stud labs-yellow and chocolate. Both have hip/elbow and Cerf certifications. The owner had not done any DNA(color testing) on both dogs. I guess I am trying to get your opinions/experiences on breeding which color to what, and see where I will get a better chance in getting chocolate F1's. Do you think I will get a better chance getting chocolates by breeding my poodle to the yellow lab or the chocolate lab? My poodle's pedigree has chocolates and blacks. I was thinking I should get my poodle bred to the yellow lab instead of the chocolate so I won't get so many blacks. I am aiming for chocolate as I am hoping to keep a chocolate female from that litter. I hope I am not so confusing Thanks for the response. Mhyles __________________ www.coloradomountainlabradoodles.com

04-24-2008, 01:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
Lucky Me Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Northern California Posts: 1,744	I believe Chocolate to chocolate would give you all chocolates.....someone please correct me if I am wrong. __________________ Judi,Tuesday, Marley, Easy (and little Reba too!) www.judiblueszoo.com

04-24-2008, 02:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
MaxandMe Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Upstate, NY Posts: 15,103	ok without knowing the genetic makeup meaning bbEe or bbee for a chocoate dog wait does your chocolate std poodle have a black or pink nose? the guide on Vetgen is good....shows color of dog with noses thus giving an Indicator of possible breeding color schems http://www.vetgen.com/chromagene-coat-color2.html so what it shows is anywhere from ALL CHOCOLATES to %age of choc and % of creams (aka reds, tans/yellows/etc) the last thing to mention though is hidden recessive genes which is the "roulette" chance in genetics. __________________ *Annmarie, Max,& Peanut* "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." Anatole France uncondtional love: what a dog always does for us and humans strive to do but can we?

04-24-2008, 02:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
Mhyles30 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pueblo West, CO Posts: 105	Coat color My poodle has liver/chocolate nose-I am not sure if that is considered pink? Will the Pawsitive ID tell me the color she carries? __________________ www.coloradomountainlabradoodles.com

04-24-2008, 02:45 PM	#5 (permalink)
Tink Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: West central Wisconsin Posts: 2,506	I've got a chocolate standard poodle male with a liver nose (and 5 generations of chocloate and apricot behind him) and just bought a chocolate Lab female with a liver nose (and 5 generations of chocolate with a single black behind her) since my understanding is that this the surest way to get chocolates. I hope I'm right. I did bet my money on it when I bought them. LOL Good luck! __________________ www.tinkerdoodle.net Hickory, Ava, Hana, Misty, and Chip (happy master of his Harem)

04-24-2008, 03:07 PM	#6 (permalink)
MaxandMe Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Upstate, NY Posts: 15,103	meant to say LIVER nose hahhaaaaaaaa pink is the old term __________________ *Annmarie, Max,& Peanut* "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." Anatole France uncondtional love: what a dog always does for us and humans strive to do but can we?

04-24-2008, 04:36 PM	#7 (permalink)
Diane at DVL Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Southeastern PA Posts: 65	color explanation Check out this article...it gives examples to help you understand the vetgen chart better. http://www.laa.org.au/downloads/news_le ... V_2004.pdf Goodluck! (my site is under construction...coming soon!) __________________ Diane

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