NEW BREEDER BILL they are trying to pass NOW in WV

[KingstonTodd]

what did your sick puppy have? if you suspect you bought from a puppy mill in disguise or a cruel BYB i would contact the SPCA (http://ontariospca.ca/1.shtml). We only have laws about the humane treatment of animals, not against shipping/selling a sick puppy. But if they sent a sick one to you I would want to send the SPCA all over their operation to make sure the mom and other pups are ok. They could be charged up to 10k and 5 yrs in jail occording to legeslation Bill C-22, they are guilty of "Failing to provide adequate care". (http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublicat...uage=E&File=16)

[gsmagoo2]

I'm not sure about covering congenital defects in a contract. Congenital defects are not necessarily hereditary. I think covering hereditary defects is something that should definitely be covered. But a congenital defect, can just be a freak thing, and those are usually noticed before the puppy goes to their new home. A congenital disorder is usually present at birth. As where a hereditary disease may not be seen until the puppy is older and already in their new home. I agree that some congenital defects are hereditary, but then their are congenital defects, which is uncontrollable and tests are not out there to rule them to be hereditary or just a freak thing. I guess maybe it's all in the way we word our contracts, thus should be specific in what diseases that we will actually take responsibility for.

Trina

[Doodlesville]

Originally Posted by Linda

Nancy, you are a reputable breeder. Don't worry yourself about this law. I am sure if it passes you would not encounter a problem.
I personally think most people are 'good' BUT if someone is looking to get something for nothing, they would be better off purchasing in NJ where they can get reimbursed DOUBLE the cost of the pup!

Thanks Linda, wow, now that law really needs to be changed!!! YIKERS

[Doodlesville]

Originally Posted by gsmagoo2

I'm not sure about covering congenital defects in a contract. Congenital defects are not necessarily hereditary. I think covering hereditary defects is something that should definitely be covered. But a congenital defect, can just be a freak thing, and those are usually noticed before the puppy goes to their new home. A congenital disorder is usually present at birth. As where a hereditary disease may not be seen until the puppy is older and already in their new home. I agree that some congenital defects are hereditary, but then their are congenital defects, which is uncontrollable and tests are not out there to rule them to be hereditary or just a freak thing. I guess maybe it's all in the way we word our contracts, thus should be specific in what diseases that we will actually take responsibility for.

Trina

AMEN!!!!! Thank you so much for saying that so many people feel like just because a dog is tested to the hilt that gurantees there wont be a problem
IT DOES NOT!!!
It is all up to the good lord as to where the genes fall and what happens to each and every life on this earth, we are breeders not god, we cant guarantee how things happen we all just do the very very best we can

[mtd885]

Originally Posted by KingstonTodd

what did your sick puppy have? if you suspect you bought from a puppy mill in disguise or a cruel BYB i would contact the SPCA (http://ontariospca.ca/1.shtml). We only have laws about the humane treatment of animals, not against shipping/selling a sick puppy. But if they sent a sick one to you I would want to send the SPCA all over their operation to make sure the mom and other pups are ok. They could be charged up to 10k and 5 yrs in jail occording to legeslation Bill C-22, they are guilty of "Failing to provide adequate care". (http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublicat...uage=E&File=16)

Thanks for the Info I'll contact those folks first thing tomorrow!

[Doodlesville]

MTD,, that is one cute pup picture
what was wrong with your pup when you got it? poor little baby
Is it doing better now?

[mtd885]

Originally Posted by Doodlesville

MTD,, that is one cute pup picture
what was wrong with your pup when you got it? poor little baby
Is it doing better now?

Hi Nancy, Glad you are feeling better. I too have that pre existing condition you just dealt with I got Abby from the Mother Daughter con artists from Guelph Ont. They overcharged me (lied about exchange rate), sent me a puppy with Conjunctivitis, Ear Mites (which had been there long enough for a secondary infection. Outdated health certificate, the last entry was for a 7wk old puppy not the 13 week old puppy. They rushed shipment (one day) to avoid booster shots. The puppy arrived FILTHY with puss in the eyes and VERY FOUL ODORS. She hadn't been bathed at all judging by her ears et al. She arrived at 1:30 and was in the vets office at 3:30. I asked the breeder about temperment and was assure she was good with kids etc. The puppy was afraid of it's own shadow as if it had been low dog on the totem which had been bullied a lot. She's just now settling a bit but is VERY WARY of new people and children which makes me believe that the puppy mill operator does not monitor interaction with their kids and dogs!!! I wish I could post their kennel names but alas I'd get in trouble with the moderators. So if the words Dream or Lane are in the Kennel Name (they have two locations) up their in Ontario and the neighboring area, STAY AWAY or be prepared to be misled.

[Doodlesville]

Im so sorry you had to go thru that, thank god the pup is ok, with positive reinforment you pup should over come these issues

i understand tottally ,and had a very simlar exprenience

[KingstonTodd]

Hi Nancy, Glad you are feeling better. I too have that pre existing condition you just dealt with I got Abby from the Mother Daughter con artists from Guelph Ont. They overcharged me (lied about exchange rate), sent me a puppy with Conjunctivitis, Ear Mites (which had been there long enough for a secondary infection. Outdated health certificate, the last entry was for a 7wk old puppy not the 13 week old puppy. They rushed shipment (one day) to avoid booster shots. The puppy arrived FILTHY with puss in the eyes and VERY FOUL ODORS. She hadn't been bathed at all judging by her ears et al. She arrived at 1:30 and was in the vets office at 3:30. I asked the breeder about temperment and was assure she was good with kids etc. The puppy was afraid of it's own shadow as if it had been low dog on the totem which had been bullied a lot. She's just now settling a bit but is VERY WARY of new people and children which makes me believe that the puppy mill operator does not monitor interaction with their kids and dogs!!! I wish I could post their kennel names but alas I'd get in trouble with the moderators. So if the words Dream or Lane are in the Kennel Name (they have two locations) up their in Ontario and the neighboring area, STAY AWAY or be prepared to be misled.

I am sorry to hear you had a bad experience with them. We got Hershey from them and couldnt be happier with her. She was healthy, we took her to the vet on the way home and he gave her a great review, she was happy, social, well adjusted, pretty much the perfect doodle. Everyone who met her as a puppy was blow away in a good way with her. And we are familiar with puppy mill puppies, our friends saved a standard poodle from one and it was a very different dog....Could something have happened during shipping? I picked Hershey up in person.
.........but Hershey did have mites that required a shampoo treatment, nothing to serious.

Can you PM me with some of your details of your expereince, I currently reccommend them to others but would like to hear you experience and may take that into consideration.

[hrashelle]

I know this is an old post, but I just ran across it and had to put in my 2 cents.

There goes the government again, sticking it's nose in where it does not belong. We already have way too many laws on the books "regulating" our industrial markets. Our forefathers never meant for the government to become as huge as it has, It was put in place to protect our freedoms, not regulate business. Markets will dictate what is accepted and what is not, as in the case with puppy mills and such. The newsmedia is doing a decent job of bringing this out into the open and people are listening! I do not know ANYONE who has gotten a dog in the last 5-10 years that has bought an animal from a pet shop, save fish. It will take time, but I believe we can put them out of business! The internet is a great resource and people are very willing to research this and other things. I just think that people some people are far too willing to let the government regulate what they think is wrong, but it's not the government's job and by allowing them to pass laws to "protect" us we come closer and closer to a "Big Brother" nation.


Stepping off my podium now......

[cissy k]

I just heard a noise......oh, never mind, it was just Thomas Jefferson rolling over in his grave!!!!

I could not agree more about big government and this bill is a PERFECT example. Who is sponsoring it and why? I bet it is a PETA group that means well, but is not taking the time to consider the whole picture. You breeders in West Virginia and surrounding states need to email and call this Congressman. And get ALL your clients to do the same. I promise that this Congressman could care less and is only sponsoring because a large block of voters is pushing it. PUSH BACK!! In government policy, silence is DEADLY! The squeaky wheel always get the grease so start your protests right now or you will find this thing passed and done before you know it.

And if you find out who is pushing it, call them, too. See if you can work together on this thing to tighten it up a bit. Let them know that breeders would be willing to help draft it instead of fighting it, but they need to understand where you are coming from.

Anyway, too long....sorry!!!

[OLIVER DOODLE]

Originally Posted by hrashelle

I know this is an old post, but I just ran across it and had to put in my 2 cents.

There goes the government again, sticking it's nose in where it does not belong. We already have way too many laws on the books "regulating" our industrial markets. Our forefathers never meant for the government to become as huge as it has, It was put in place to protect our freedoms, not regulate business. Markets will dictate what is accepted and what is not, as in the case with puppy mills and such. The newsmedia is doing a decent job of bringing this out into the open and people are listening! I do not know ANYONE who has gotten a dog in the last 5-10 years that has bought an animal from a pet shop, save fish. It will take time, but I believe we can put them out of business! The internet is a great resource and people are very willing to research this and other things. I just think that people some people are far too willing to let the government regulate what they think is wrong, but it's not the government's job and by allowing them to pass laws to "protect" us we come closer and closer to a "Big Brother" nation.


Stepping off my podium now......

Well Said!

[Maureen]

Originally Posted by Doodlesville

19-20C-4. Infected animals; reimbursement.
(a) Purchasers of a pet have fifteen days from the date of purchase to return the pet to the seller for any reason for full reimbursement.
(b) If a licensed veterinarian diagnoses a pet with an illness within fifteen days of the purchase date, the pet seller will fully reimburse the purchaser and will not require the purchaser to return the pet to the seller.
(c) If a licensed veterinarian diagnoses a pet with an illness within fifteen days of the purchase date, the seller will reimburse the purchaser for any veterinary costs up to the purchase price of the pet or five hundred dollars, whichever is greater.

NOTE: The purpose of this bill is to protect consumers against the purchase of sick or underage pets

geeeze, it looks to me like its purpose is to get puppy families and vets conspiring to make a few bucks off the breeders!

The stuff about puppies not leaving or being sold before 8wks is common sense - it's the law here in CO already.

[Doodlesville]

That was exactly what i was thinking!!!!
but heck what else is new!