Looking for my dog's breeder

ChasP505 · 12-13-2007, 11:34 AM

I have just purchased a labradoodle from a pet outlet here in New Mexico. He is a wonderful dog and seems to be the smartest puppy I've ever had. (I have owned 4 Siberian Huskies, a greyhound mix, a Great Dane, and 2 Labs). The paperwork lists a Richard peck of Mountainburg, Arkansas as the breeder, but I have not been able to find any contact info for Mr. Peck. I would like to find out more about this pup... F1? F6?... Any information would be appreciated. Can someone help me?

ellabee · 12-13-2007, 12:12 PM

See your other thread - I did a google search and couldn't find any online info....

Jac · 12-13-2007, 12:54 PM

Hi Chas, welcome to the forum, and congratulations on your new addition. I hope that the pain of losing your life long pet will be eased by his doodle ways.
I find myself in a very difficult position, I honestly did not want to respond to your post because I don't want to sound like I am preaching or even disapproving of your purchase. In fact, I am so grateful that you found this pup and gave him a loving home...but...I feel that this needs to be said, for all of those people reading the forums and trying to decide what to do...
I doubt you will ever find the breeder. Your pup was, most likely, the product of a puppy mill or a back yard breeder. The "breeder" (and I use that term loosly) sold your pup to a puppy broker, probably at a very young age, and your pup was shipped from its home in conditions that you would not want to know about...these pups are then placed in pet stores, cleaned up and put in windows to attract loving people like yourself. But when the pup ages and becomes unsaleable...and well, many are killed because they were not cute any more.
These breeders have no business license, no business entity. They don't care about their dogs or their puppies, they are only trying to find the cheapest way to earn a few bucks so they breed their dogs, literally, to death.
If you find your breeder...I will be very, very sruprised...but also if you do, don't expect to find a sweet, loving home environmet. In fact...I don't think you really would want to know.
Just love your pup with all of your heart and you can make up for what has probalby been a horrific first few months.
I am sincerely glad that you have ths pup, and that you and the pup are so happy together. It is a hopeful and happy ending.
Please continue to post here, because everyone is supportive of YOU...it's just that you probably can't find much help in locating the lineage of your pup.

annieG · 12-13-2007, 01:47 PM

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I am sincerely glad that you have this pup, and that you and the pup are so happy together. It is a hopeful and happy ending.
Please continue to post here, because everyone is supportive of YOU...it's just that you probably can't find much help in locating the lineage of your pup

Please do continue to post on the forum. There are several other doodles that began in similar circumstances...don't think that you are alone in that. Now you have a doodle you are part of a great family of doodle lovers

12-13-2007, 02:09 PM

Welcome Chas! I adopted my Bella from a rescue group that I later found out rescued puppies from puppy mills. I thought a local breeder just could not sell the pups for some reason and had asked the rescue group to place them . I would not have purchased/adopted her if I knew that was the case because I feel like the puppy mill rescuers (however well meaning they might be) help keep the mills in business, HOWEVER, I now have Bella, she is wonderful and I love her dearly!

Anyway, I think I found your breeder, but he is actually a broker, NOT a breeder according to the USDA registry. A broker will sell the licensed commercial breeders puppies to pet stores, he is an intermediary. Here is the address and kennel name I found, but you may not find out any more information. The USDA licensed breeders are basically licensed to breed puppies as livestock, for profit, in great numbers(what is also commonly termed a 'puppy mill'). The broker then purchases a 'block' of puppies from the breeder to sell to the pet shops. I guess it is possible the broker or broker relative (hence the name Rick) bred your puppy and sold it to the pet store and your puppy never was at this kennel, but that seems unlikely.

Frank and Mary A. Peck
South Forty Kennel
15665 Old Locke Road
Mountainburg, AR 72946

The USDA license numbers are 8745 or 71-B-0150

Enjoy your puppy, have him checked out by a vet and I would highly recommend that you have his hips xrayed when you take him in to be neutered even if there are no symptoms. Even severe hip dysplasia often does not cause symptoms until age 6 or 7 and by then your warranty will be up.
Congratulations and we love to see puppy pictures!!!!

ChasP505 · 12-13-2007, 03:37 PM

Linda and everyone else, thanks for the help, the warm welcome and the support. I think this little guy is going to work out fine. It doesn't matter to me what type of doodle he is, F1, F1B, whatever. These things mean nothing to me beyond basic curiosity. Except for my first Siberian, none of my dogs were good breed "conformation" type dogs. I value personality and intelligence over appearance in my dogs. I'm just looking for a good stable companion dog.

12-13-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ChasP505

I'm just looking for a good stable companion dog.

Well you certainly find that with this breed!!! They love to please their people!!! Oh and they entertain their people with their goofiness too!

Echo · 12-13-2007, 04:40 PM

Chas, welcome to the forum! I found info. on a Rick Peck in Mountainburg on the same road that Linda found info for but it is a different house #. I also found a phone number if that matters. I'll pm everything to you.

Jac · 12-13-2007, 05:50 PM

Chas, I could not agree with you more! These dogs are so wonderful and when I think of the word "joy" I think of my dogs. They are filled with joy and it just can't help but pour over to the lives they share.
You are in for some wonderful adventures!

blueteal · 12-13-2007, 08:58 PM

I have no info but I just wanted
to Welcome you to Doodleland!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Congrats.............

gracielou · 12-13-2007, 09:44 PM

Welcome to the forum and lets all just pray that your puppy is healthy for ever with no problems, alot of pups that come from these places do have issues.

Jac I commend you for your post no matter how difficult it had to be said.

Linda good work on finding the info for him, even if he nevers contacts this buyer at least the buyer knows something.

Chas let me say this post some pics and maybe we can help with looking to tell if he is an F1 or F1B I doubt he is more than that but we might be able to give some opinions.

The most important thing is you have saved him and now he has a great home where he will be loved forever.

Paintsmeblue · 12-13-2007, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ChasP505

Linda and everyone else, thanks for the help, the warm welcome and the support. I think this little guy is going to work out fine. It doesn't matter to me what type of doodle he is, F1, F1B, whatever. These things mean nothing to me beyond basic curiosity. Except for my first Siberian, none of my dogs were good breed "conformation" type dogs. I value personality and intelligence over appearance in my dogs. I'm just looking for a good stable companion dog.

Please don't mind us throwing around "labradoodle terms". F1 and F1b are different generations of Labradoodle. A F1 is a first cross labradoodle, so one parent was lab and one parent was poodle. A F1b is a second generation labradoodle. One parent is a labradoodle (a F1- so lab and poodle grandparents) and typically they are backcrossed to one of the parent breeds, so the other parent is either a lab or a poodle. Typically its a poodle, because most people need the less shedding prediction of the poodle back cross.

Knowing what generation you have would let you know what to expect as your puppy gets old, especially coat wise. Although I know you're not focused on that, some of the generations need more grooming than others. Which you might have experience with given your past dogs. But if he's labby, obviously not that much worry needs to go into making sure he's brushed so that he doesn't develop mats. But, if he's not, then you need to be watchful of mats.

Congrats on adding a labradoodle to your family. I commend you on giving him a great home.... I just wish there wasn't the need for Jac's post.... It's unfortunate that puppy mills exist. But, it is great when people take the puppies in and give them a much better life than they're used to!

ChasP505 · 12-14-2007, 01:28 AM

I found the breeder and he gave us the info we wanted. The dog IS an F1 as I had guessed. See Ozzie's pictures in the Introductions section. Thanks again for everyone's help.

gene · 12-14-2007, 08:14 AM

He is a beautiful pup.....congrats!!

12-14-2007, 09:18 AM

I'm glad you were able to contact the breeder. Your puppy is adorable! You can check out the puppy to grown up thread for some ideas of how his coat might turn out.

http://labradoodle-dogs.net/forums/view ... 36&start=0

I'm thinking he might turn out like Dakota'a coat, GORGEOUS!!!

12-13-2007, 11:34 AM	#1 (permalink)
ChasP505 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 659	Looking for my dog's breeder I have just purchased a labradoodle from a pet outlet here in New Mexico. He is a wonderful dog and seems to be the smartest puppy I've ever had. (I have owned 4 Siberian Huskies, a greyhound mix, a Great Dane, and 2 Labs). The paperwork lists a Richard peck of Mountainburg, Arkansas as the breeder, but I have not been able to find any contact info for Mr. Peck. I would like to find out more about this pup... F1? F6?... Any information would be appreciated. Can someone help me? __________________ Chas P., Carol and Ozzie

12-13-2007, 12:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
ellabee Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 1,551	See your other thread - I did a google search and couldn't find any online info.... __________________ -Lynn & "Dexter #3" (third Dexter to join the forum - and Sandy's littermate!)

12-13-2007, 03:37 PM	#6 (permalink)
ChasP505 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 659	Linda and everyone else, thanks for the help, the warm welcome and the support. I think this little guy is going to work out fine. It doesn't matter to me what type of doodle he is, F1, F1B, whatever. These things mean nothing to me beyond basic curiosity. Except for my first Siberian, none of my dogs were good breed "conformation" type dogs. I value personality and intelligence over appearance in my dogs. I'm just looking for a good stable companion dog. __________________ Chas P., Carol and Ozzie

12-13-2007, 04:40 PM	#8 (permalink)
Echo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Central PA Posts: 728	Chas, welcome to the forum! I found info. on a Rick Peck in Mountainburg on the same road that Linda found info for but it is a different house #. I also found a phone number if that matters. I'll pm everything to you. __________________ Mindi http://labradoodle-dogs.net/gallery/index.php?cat=11993 "All knowledge, the totality of all questions and all answers is contained in the dog." - Kafka

12-13-2007, 09:44 PM	#11 (permalink)
gracielou Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Kansas Posts: 1,366	Welcome to the forum and lets all just pray that your puppy is healthy for ever with no problems, alot of pups that come from these places do have issues. Jac I commend you for your post no matter how difficult it had to be said. Linda good work on finding the info for him, even if he nevers contacts this buyer at least the buyer knows something. Chas let me say this post some pics and maybe we can help with looking to tell if he is an F1 or F1B I doubt he is more than that but we might be able to give some opinions. The most important thing is you have saved him and now he has a great home where he will be loved forever. __________________ Linda & Gracielou Valley Center, KS http://www.4pawslabradoodles.com

12-13-2007, 12:54 PM	#3 (permalink)
Jac Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: northern California Posts: 9,243	Hi Chas, welcome to the forum, and congratulations on your new addition. I hope that the pain of losing your life long pet will be eased by his doodle ways. I find myself in a very difficult position, I honestly did not want to respond to your post because I don't want to sound like I am preaching or even disapproving of your purchase. In fact, I am so grateful that you found this pup and gave him a loving home...but...I feel that this needs to be said, for all of those people reading the forums and trying to decide what to do... I doubt you will ever find the breeder. Your pup was, most likely, the product of a puppy mill or a back yard breeder. The "breeder" (and I use that term loosly) sold your pup to a puppy broker, probably at a very young age, and your pup was shipped from its home in conditions that you would not want to know about...these pups are then placed in pet stores, cleaned up and put in windows to attract loving people like yourself. But when the pup ages and becomes unsaleable...and well, many are killed because they were not cute any more. These breeders have no business license, no business entity. They don't care about their dogs or their puppies, they are only trying to find the cheapest way to earn a few bucks so they breed their dogs, literally, to death. If you find your breeder...I will be very, very sruprised...but also if you do, don't expect to find a sweet, loving home environmet. In fact...I don't think you really would want to know. Just love your pup with all of your heart and you can make up for what has probalby been a horrific first few months. I am sincerely glad that you have ths pup, and that you and the pup are so happy together. It is a hopeful and happy ending. Please continue to post here, because everyone is supportive of YOU...it's just that you probably can't find much help in locating the lineage of your pup.

12-13-2007, 02:09 PM	#5 (permalink)
Guest Posts: n/a	Welcome Chas! I adopted my Bella from a rescue group that I later found out rescued puppies from puppy mills. I thought a local breeder just could not sell the pups for some reason and had asked the rescue group to place them . I would not have purchased/adopted her if I knew that was the case because I feel like the puppy mill rescuers (however well meaning they might be) help keep the mills in business, HOWEVER, I now have Bella, she is wonderful and I love her dearly! Anyway, I think I found your breeder, but he is actually a broker, NOT a breeder according to the USDA registry. A broker will sell the licensed commercial breeders puppies to pet stores, he is an intermediary. Here is the address and kennel name I found, but you may not find out any more information. The USDA licensed breeders are basically licensed to breed puppies as livestock, for profit, in great numbers(what is also commonly termed a 'puppy mill'). The broker then purchases a 'block' of puppies from the breeder to sell to the pet shops. I guess it is possible the broker or broker relative (hence the name Rick) bred your puppy and sold it to the pet store and your puppy never was at this kennel, but that seems unlikely. Frank and Mary A. Peck South Forty Kennel 15665 Old Locke Road Mountainburg, AR 72946 The USDA license numbers are 8745 or 71-B-0150 Enjoy your puppy, have him checked out by a vet and I would highly recommend that you have his hips xrayed when you take him in to be neutered even if there are no symptoms. Even severe hip dysplasia often does not cause symptoms until age 6 or 7 and by then your warranty will be up. Congratulations and we love to see puppy pictures!!!!

12-13-2007, 05:50 PM	#9 (permalink)
Jac Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: northern California Posts: 9,243	Chas, I could not agree with you more! These dogs are so wonderful and when I think of the word "joy" I think of my dogs. They are filled with joy and it just can't help but pour over to the lives they share. You are in for some wonderful adventures!

12-13-2007, 08:58 PM	#10 (permalink)
blueteal Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,334	I have no info but I just wanted to Welcome you to Doodleland!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Congrats.............

12-14-2007, 01:28 AM	#13 (permalink)
ChasP505 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 659	I found the breeder and he gave us the info we wanted. The dog IS an F1 as I had guessed. See Ozzie's pictures in the Introductions section. Thanks again for everyone's help. __________________ Chas P., Carol and Ozzie

12-14-2007, 08:14 AM	#14 (permalink)
gene Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: youngstown ohio Posts: 8,619	He is a beautiful pup.....congrats!! __________________ gene , jonah , miko and rumor "A dog teaches a boy fidelity, perseverance, and to turn around three times before lying down." - Robert Benchley

12-14-2007, 09:18 AM	#15 (permalink)
Guest Posts: n/a	I'm glad you were able to contact the breeder. Your puppy is adorable! You can check out the puppy to grown up thread for some ideas of how his coat might turn out. http://labradoodle-dogs.net/forums/view ... 36&start=0 I'm thinking he might turn out like Dakota'a coat, GORGEOUS!!!

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