Question about Poodle Coats and Breeding....

[daissyj]

Hello!

Can anyone give me some insight on what I could expect in puppy coats from using a lab with a poodle that has a curly fleece coat instead of a wool coat? What about using an F1 w/a hair coat and the same poodle? Thanks!!

[gracielou]

How old is the poodle I noticed that with age Clancy coat is more wool than it use to be.

It's hard to say about the F1 you just really have to try and hope they turn out like you want if they don't just don't pair those two together again.

[Maureen]

Julie, my experience is that different poodles affect the Labradoodle coats in different ways, so this doesn't really help you, I'm afraid. In my mind, it's a matter of how much a Poodle will 'cancel out' a Lab coat, so to speak.

I have 2 poodle girls, different bloodlines, and their F1b puppies are different, even with the SAME F1 sire! So that is why I've reached this conclusion. So I'm afraid you can make an educated guess, but having a litter with the 2 specific dogs might be the only way to really know.

Email me if you like, with pictures but I wish I could offer more specific info.

[daissyj]

Thanks Maureen, for your response. I was kind of thinking along the same lines in terms of the poodle coat needing to cancel out the lab coat. But in my search for a poodle, I found one with a wool coat and another with a spiral coat and was just looking for some advice. Thanks again!

[Maureen]

oh that kind of fine tuning is interesting!
My girl with a tight, spiral (in my thinking) poodle coat was bred to a male f1 with cords, or dreadlocks, and only one of 12 puppies had any coarseness to their coats!

But.....when that same male....(spiral? wool? no idea!) was bred to a curly, fleece, I'd say, f1b, they had flat coated puppies and most had a coarseness.
NOW: I know of an f2 who looks like a full Lab but doesn't shed like one! So there's a prediction problem, I'd say. But other than the example above, and another one like it, I can't say anything helpful.

Now that I think of it, both f1 x f1b breedings I've seen had fleece, not wool parents. is that a clue? No idea! But it's all interesting, isn't it?

tell us about your Poodle you have found!

ps - I know an excellent, family-style breeder who just had puppies YESTERDAY, by the way!!

[gracielou]

I think it is amazing how breeding a female to one male and having beautiful coats with the two and then breeding with another male and getting several pups with flat coats just amazes me to no end.

[Lucky Me]

My girl (F1) has a longer wirey hair coat, I bred her to a Std. Poodle with a beautiful tight wool coat and they went right across the board. I had a straight fleece, 2 curly fleece, a few beautiful spiral wools, a flat hair that looked like a red apricot Lab, a long, big curly coarse hair, yet favored the lab, and 4 that favored poodle , with one at 13 weeks replacing poodle hair with coarse flat hair. Isn't genetics facinating? Reminds me of playing the slot machine.

[daissyj]

LOL...I love the slot machine analogy! And, yes, you are so right....genetics are so amazing! Thanks for sharing!

[MaxandMe]

Genetics is fascinating as to only a certain percentage of predicability can be charted/factored in against what really happens.


and when you have a litter of what you wanted ...then it's like hitting the jackpot hahhaaaaaa

[Maureen]

or sometimes BETTER than you hoped for!

I've had it go both of those ways in trying to predict color in puppy litters, so I'm hear to tell you that it's GREAT when you get more chocolates than you are "supposed to" but that is always balanced out by the other kinds of litters where "1/2 chocolate" turns into 2 out of 8.


Then there's the really sad part where genetic problems that could be, say, in 1/2 of the litter turned out to be in 3/4. THAT is why we screen and test our puppies!