early desexing of australian doodles

newaustralianlab · 10-31-2007, 01:09 PM

Dogs that are 4 months old or even less are getting de-sexed so they can be sold at 9-11 weeks already desexed. Any known negative effects such as incontinence (especially females)?

Doodlesville · 10-31-2007, 02:00 PM

yes , there can be problems
incontinance and potential of bone cancers
that why i dont do ESN
not to mention the anesthetic and surgical risk
I will try to find the links that helped me come to this decision if i get a few later

gracielou · 11-01-2007, 11:52 AM

Well not going to get in to a debate this is just my opinion.

They have been doing early spay/neuters in the shelters for years and years most people just don't realize that.

2nd for every person you find that disagrees with it, you can find someone that is for it so just keep that in mind. That is the way of the world with everything, we are all not going to agree on every issue whether it be this one or shipping, or vaccinations, etc.

Doodlesville · 11-01-2007, 12:22 PM

I was not argueing with you are anyone else,
I have stated the truth as i know it
and has been proven to me over 30yrs in dog breeding,
these are not shelter dogs we are talking about ,,these are family pets that people purchase and if there is a potential risks as a result of a certain procedure, i do not feel we should take a chance that this could cause problems later in life,
I appreciate your insight, not sure why you would feel a need to say it
I have as much right to state my opinion and observations as anyone, i hope

JettsMom · 11-01-2007, 08:46 PM

There are risks associated with a spay/neuter regardless of the age.

My Copper was an early S/N. He is doing great!

On the other hand, my sweet Gracie, Golden Retriever puppy (4/5 mo), died on the table during her spay.

Doodlesville · 11-01-2007, 08:50 PM

Oh Vicki,Im sooo very sorry

blueteal · 11-01-2007, 09:23 PM

Ahhhhhhhhhhh Vicky
So sorry for your loss.

cocoandjane · 11-03-2007, 10:32 PM

Was there a discernable reason why she died??? A reaction to the anesthetic?
Oh my, I am so sorry! I can't imagine how awful that must have been!!

It scares me a little, as I have an appt for Coco end of November.....
She will be a year old by then.....we had thought about breeding her, but decided not to.

Again, I am sorry for your loss.

annabelles mom · 11-03-2007, 10:45 PM

vicky I'm sorry you lost Gracie

we've had all our girls spayed between 5 and 6 months before first heat

JettsMom · 11-04-2007, 09:10 AM

Nancy, Jane, Sue, and Mary, Thank you for your words of comfort. It has been over five years now, but at times it seems like yesterday. It was an awful day and it took me a long time, and medicine, to recover.

Jane, please don't be nervous about getting Cocoa spayed. The only reason I even mentioned Grace in this thread was to show that the risks are real no matter what the age of the pup. Grace had made it through the surgery but her heart stopped while she was being awakened.

Anyway, here is a picture of my Amazing Gracie Girl. November 5, 2001 - March 8, 2002.

lmtoth2 · 11-04-2007, 09:53 AM

Vicky that is so sad - I'm so sorry for your loss.

I guess it's like anything...I mean there is probably a 1 or 2% chance (I'm making those numbers up) of something going wrong during any "routine" surgery...

**MaxandMe** · 11-04-2007, 10:35 AM

I'd say early spay/neuter is probably just like the same arguments (in principle) regarding circumcision

I 'd say it's a personal choice as to when with PROS and CONS no matter the age

Jettsmom...i am soooooooo sorry to hear about Gracie

annabelles mom · 11-04-2007, 01:01 PM

Vicky she was a sweet looking girl

Maureen · 11-04-2007, 04:07 PM

Vicky, your Gracie was a beautiful girl!
It also sheds light on what you went thru with Jett and getting her to a place of health, too.

Calimom · 11-04-2007, 09:06 PM

Oh Vicky, that breaks my heart to read about Gracie. Big hugs.

10-31-2007, 01:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
newaustralianlab Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 42	early desexing of australian doodles Dogs that are 4 months old or even less are getting de-sexed so they can be sold at 9-11 weeks already desexed. Any known negative effects such as incontinence (especially females)?

11-01-2007, 11:52 AM	#3 (permalink)
gracielou Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Kansas Posts: 1,366	Well not going to get in to a debate this is just my opinion. They have been doing early spay/neuters in the shelters for years and years most people just don't realize that. 2nd for every person you find that disagrees with it, you can find someone that is for it so just keep that in mind. That is the way of the world with everything, we are all not going to agree on every issue whether it be this one or shipping, or vaccinations, etc. __________________ Linda & Gracielou Valley Center, KS http://www.4pawslabradoodles.com

11-01-2007, 12:22 PM	#4 (permalink)
Doodlesville Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: North Carolina/Virginia Posts: 2,740	Linda I was not argueing with you are anyone else, I have stated the truth as i know it and has been proven to me over 30yrs in dog breeding, these are not shelter dogs we are talking about ,,these are family pets that people purchase and if there is a potential risks as a result of a certain procedure, i do not feel we should take a chance that this could cause problems later in life, I appreciate your insight, not sure why you would feel a need to say it I have as much right to state my opinion and observations as anyone, i hope

11-01-2007, 08:46 PM	#5 (permalink)
JettsMom Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northern California Posts: 207	There are risks associated with a spay/neuter regardless of the age. My Copper was an early S/N. He is doing great! On the other hand, my sweet Gracie, Golden Retriever puppy (4/5 mo), died on the table during her spay. __________________ Vicky (Jett and Copper)

11-03-2007, 10:32 PM	#8 (permalink)
cocoandjane Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: near Dallas, Texas Posts: 1,856	Was there a discernable reason why she died??? A reaction to the anesthetic? Oh my, I am so sorry! I can't imagine how awful that must have been!! It scares me a little, as I have an appt for Coco end of November..... She will be a year old by then.....we had thought about breeding her, but decided not to. Again, I am sorry for your loss. __________________ Jane Coco, Abby, Nellie, my doodles and Delilah, too !!

10-31-2007, 02:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
Doodlesville Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: North Carolina/Virginia Posts: 2,740	yes , there can be problems incontinance and potential of bone cancers that why i dont do ESN not to mention the anesthetic and surgical risk I will try to find the links that helped me come to this decision if i get a few later

11-01-2007, 08:50 PM	#6 (permalink)
Doodlesville Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: North Carolina/Virginia Posts: 2,740	Oh Vicki,Im sooo very sorry

11-01-2007, 09:23 PM	#7 (permalink)
blueteal Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,334	Ahhhhhhhhhhh Vicky So sorry for your loss.

11-03-2007, 10:45 PM	#9 (permalink)
annabelles mom Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: lkkkkkkkkkkkkk Posts: 6,837	vicky I'm sorry you lost Gracie we've had all our girls spayed between 5 and 6 months before first heat

11-04-2007, 09:10 AM	#10 (permalink)
JettsMom Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northern California Posts: 207	Nancy, Jane, Sue, and Mary, Thank you for your words of comfort. It has been over five years now, but at times it seems like yesterday. It was an awful day and it took me a long time, and medicine, to recover. Jane, please don't be nervous about getting Cocoa spayed. The only reason I even mentioned Grace in this thread was to show that the risks are real no matter what the age of the pup. Grace had made it through the surgery but her heart stopped while she was being awakened. Anyway, here is a picture of my Amazing Gracie Girl. November 5, 2001 - March 8, 2002. __________________ Vicky (Jett and Copper)

11-04-2007, 09:53 AM	#11 (permalink)
lmtoth2 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,920	Vicky that is so sad - I'm so sorry for your loss. I guess it's like anything...I mean there is probably a 1 or 2% chance (I'm making those numbers up) of something going wrong during any "routine" surgery... __________________ Leslie

11-04-2007, 10:35 AM	#12 (permalink)
MaxandMe Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Upstate, NY Posts: 15,103	I'd say early spay/neuter is probably just like the same arguments (in principle) regarding circumcision I 'd say it's a personal choice as to when with PROS and CONS no matter the age Jettsmom...i am soooooooo sorry to hear about Gracie __________________ *Annmarie, Max,& Peanut* "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." Anatole France uncondtional love: what a dog always does for us and humans strive to do but can we?

11-04-2007, 01:01 PM	#13 (permalink)
annabelles mom Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: lkkkkkkkkkkkkk Posts: 6,837	Vicky she was a sweet looking girl

11-04-2007, 04:07 PM	#14 (permalink)
Maureen Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,810	Vicky, your Gracie was a beautiful girl! It also sheds light on what you went thru with Jett and getting her to a place of health, too. __________________ ~Maureen LabradoodleRanch@aol.com www.LabradoodleRanch.com

11-04-2007, 09:06 PM	#15 (permalink)
Calimom Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, TX Posts: 2,408	Oh Vicky, that breaks my heart to read about Gracie. Big hugs. __________________ Meg and Cali

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