American Labradoodle vs Australian Labradoodle

[Jorja'smom]

Besides the price are there really any big differences?

[lisarundell]

Marty, I love the avatar! I know that the original mix of breeds is different, but there are others here more well qualified to answer your question. I just can't wait to see photos!

[gracielou]

I guess the biggest difference if there really is one is that they did infuse a few other breeds into the Australian lines. The problem with that is they weren't honest about a lot of it and did not keep good records so when we look at some of those lines we don't know exactly what we have.

I think the US breeders that are taking Australian and American lines and creating new ones are on the right track, as long as we test and test.

[Maureen]

I think Linda has about covered it...there have been 5 or 6 breeds, that I can recall, that have been infused or tried in the Australian Labradoodles. Most prominently, and still being used, by Australian "founders" is the Cocker Spaniel, or Cockapoo, or both.

Linda, wouldn't it be so interesting to test some of the Australian lines with that new DNA test to see how much Labrador is actually in so many of the Australian dogs?

The really good news is that for a lot of those new bloodlines that are being created their breeders have used f1b Doodles to bring in new bloodlines and more genetic diversity. Also many or most of the American breeders of Australian Labradoodles actually do follow through when they have health issues with their pups and their clients.

[Paintsmeblue]

Some lines of the Australian Labradoodles have infused other breeds into them. But some do not. Napa is an Australian Labradoodle, a 4th generation, and I have the pedigree that came with him, but I also did some other research. As far back as I could go, he's purely lab and poodle.

I don't have an F1b, so I couldn't comment on the difference. I just know Napa. If you have any specific questions, I would love to answer them! I am very happy with my decision to go with an Australian, but I don't honestly know if I would have been just as happy with an F1b. But feel free to ask questions! I'm more than happy to blab about him!

[Maureen]

hey Kristen, if Napa is purely Labrador and Poodle, then what makes him an Australian Labradoodle?

My understanding is that the deifinition of an Aussie-type of Doodle is that there are multiple breeds in them

[Paintsmeblue]

His lines come directly from Tegan Park and Rutland Manor. So he is an Australian Multi-generation Labradoodle.

It's also the misconception of infusing. They have kept the lines separated. They are monitoring the infusion and keeping them straight. They are infusing breeds to improve coat, bone structure, temperament, and health. The breeding of Australian Labradoodles are also closely monitored. They are waiting to see how the infusing affects future generations before they commit to the infusion.

So, if you don't want an infused labradoodle, ask for the pedigree- which typically only goes back a few generations, but many breeders have pedigrees online, so you can do your own research.

[Maureen]

hold on here....you just said they are infusing breeds and monitoring those infusions.

Help me remember, which breeder did Napa come from? I might know them, and there are some great ones, with really great Doodles, but most reputable Australian Doodle breeders - all the breeders I'm aware of - will admit there ARE other breeds besides Labrador and Poodle in their TP or RM dogs.

What Labrador Retriever(s) are in your Napa's pedigree? Which Poodles?
Maybe others have the same lines in their Doodles.

[Paintsmeblue]

I'm really not going to get into this argument again. But I have a pedigree here with 5 generations on it, and all that's present are labradoodles and poodles. So, even if there was an infusing 6 generations ago, its not present now. But I'm running late for class, and will do my search tonight, again. So I'll get a better answer for you tonight.

[KingstonTodd]

Originally Posted by Paintsmeblue

I'm really not going to get into this argument again.

I hope this doesn't turn into an argument. As a lurker/ infrequent poster i really enjoy the positive caring environment of this forum. Regardless of Napa's genetic tree, he is a beautifull darling dog and I am sure he brings you alot of love and happiness.

From a purely interest sake, I would like to know what is in an australian labradoodle. The answer of 2 breeds or 6 breeds doesnt change how wonderfull the dogs are. Being just 2 breeds doesnt make north american labradoodles any better or worse...but until they breed true they can't really be considered a breed, which is where I would love to see the labradoodle be. There is so much animosity from the pure bred dog people that we labradoodle owners have to put with we really should not have to defend our dogs here, be it F1, F1b, multi, or Aussie.

[Jac]

It was always my understanding that an Australian Labradoodle came from the Australian lines and I always heard/assumed they were infused with at least 6 other breeds...sounds like that information may not be correct, judging from Napa's line. I know of Napa's breeder, she is a good and reputable one.
Also, my understanding, was that the difference in US and Australian doodles was that US breeders only used Lab X Poodle, but that is also changing.
Many US breeders are getting Australian breeding stock and crossing their US dogs, some F1s and others are higher.
So, as in all things, I think that changes are bound to happen...and I think that the biggest source of confusion was the change of the name from ILA (International Labradoodle Association) to ALAA (Australian Labradoodle Association of America...I think.) But when that happened, or perhaps before, the members voted to officially honor Australia as the "birthplace" of Labradoodles and include Australian Labradoodle titles into all of the breeds. Big mistake, I think...but it is done. So, now, people are calling F1s Australian Labradoodles and anything higher they are calling Australian Multigens...which, in my opinion, is very misleading.
Still, as in Kristen's case, if the pedigree traces back to the original Australian lines, it should be an Australian Labradoodle.
That being said, I am not a die-hard pedigree person. I much prefer DNA matching. I think that if people were being honest about their pedigrees, they should favor a DNA data base with their lineage provided to the public. (This comes from my Poodle line, not my Labradoodles, just to be clear.)

[Maureen]

Originally Posted by Jac

It was always my understanding that an Australian Labradoodle came from the Australian lines and I always heard/assumed they were infused with at least 6 other breeds...sounds like that information may not be correct, judging from Napa's line. I know of Napa's breeder, she is a good and reputable one.

I am NOT impuning any breeder, as you know, Jac. But the fact remains established and not hidden (anymore) that the TP and RM Labradoodles have and have had multiple breeds in them. Linda (gracielou) has Australian good lines and is a reliable source on that.

As recently as last year there was a Cockapoo in the RM or TP-USA breeding stock. And Cocker Spaniels are accepted by the ILA as ok in Labradoodles, aren't they?

There is no shame assigned to anyone having an Australian bloodline so why is there any need to deny this history of the RM or TP dogs?

I am not aware of the fact that an F1 could be called an "Australian" Labradoodle...I'm not a member of ILA so that memo wouldn't come here, I guess. Like Linda said, the infusion of multiple breeds, to me, is the difference between an Australian Doodle and a North American Doodle.

[ellabee]

I'm just jumping in here with my understanding; and someone please correct me if I'm wrong:

I was under the impression that years ago, the infusion of other breeds was thrown into the mix, in order to establish a kind of 'breeding base'; and the result are the pedigree Doodles you have today.

If this occurred 6, 7, 8, generations ago.....1) would it still not be correct to say that all Australian Labradoodles have this infusion?? And 2) How far removed does the infusion have to be in order for it to not be influential anymore? Like, if it's there, it's there, right??

I'm not a proponent of one generation over another....Dex is an ALF2; but I could have and would have just as easily gotten an earlier cross had the opportunity unfolded that way.

[Jorja'smom]

Thank you all for your replies. Seems there is much more to the distinction of the two then I originally thought. The Australian doodles seem to be so much more expensive which surprises me since they are more then just labs and poodles in the line. To be honest, it sounds like it would be best to have the American doodle. Are the Australian doodles mixed with a Cocker Spaniel to make them smaller?

I'm spending more time trying to find a doodle but it's so much fun looking at all the puppies online. Now, if only I could get a whiff of puppy breath from my computer I'd be one happy doodle momma.

[MaxandMe]

Marty...congrats on getting another doodle and good luck on your search.
can't wait till when you can post pics of a new doodle puppy