American Labradoodle vs Australian Labradoodle - Page 3

**MaxandMe** · 10-11-2007, 01:20 AM

OK this time i researched the internet again and again and again hahhaa

here is the general consensus:
"The Labradoodle story begins with Wally Conren, the head breeder of the Australian Guide Dog Association, who coined the name in 1989 when he bred a litter of Labrador Retriever - Standard Poodle cross pups. Pat Blum had lived with vision impairment for many years, but never could apply for a Guide Dog because of her husband's problem with allergies. Pat approached Wally and was overjoyed when the AGDA agreed to breed a litter of Labradoodle pups, hoping the Poodle cross would lessen the likelihood of an allergic reaction.

Harley the Standard Poodle was bred to Brandy the Labrador Retriever and three pups, Sultan, Sheik and Simon were conceived. As Pat and her husband lived in Hawaii, fur samples of the 3 pups were sent to Pat at different ages. Sultan's coat was the only one that caused no problem at all. Sultan trained well as a Guide Dog and was united with Pat for the first time at eighteen months old.

Labradoodles became very popular among the blind in Hawaii, and Wally has said that 29 of the first 31 Labradoodles he bred were successfully trained as Guide Dogs, although only one in ten were reliably allergy friendly. The Australian Guide Dog Association continues to breed one or two litters of Labradoodles a year due to their popularity. Dr. Kate Schoeffel, a friend of Wally Conren, is an honours geneticist and Vet in Condoblin, New South Wales, Australia. Kate was the first to breed pet Labradoodles, and still breeds miniature Labradoodles to this day.

In the early 1990's two associated kennels in Australia, with a background in Spoodles (Australian for Cockapoos, a Cocker Spaniel - Poodle mix) began to breed Labradoodles to Labradoodles and Labradoodles to Poodles, breeding toward a consistently allergy friendly and nonshed dog. Other breeds were introduced into the mix as well. (The IALA is in the process of confirming the use of these purebreds)

• Curly Coated Retriever - this didn't work out and these lines were abandoned
• Irish Water Spaniel - two dogs were used in the program, one time each

The other breeds successfully introduced to the program were Cocker Spaniels.
• English Cocker Spaniel
• American Cocker Spaniel
THE SITE IS :
http://www.goldendoodles.com/Resource/a ... doodle.htm

**MaxandMe** · 10-11-2007, 01:23 AM

FROM the AUSTRALIAN LABRADOODLE ASSOCIATION (ALA)

THE SITE IS
http://www.laa.org.au/breeders-parentbreeds.htm

THE PARENT BREEDS USED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF
THE AUSTRALIAN LABRADOODLE AS KNOWN TODAY

In mid 2004 it was announced
that the Australian Labradoodle was not just a Labrador x Poodle cross but was a breed in its own right developed over many years with particular goals in mind.
To accomplish these goals
further development was done with parent breed infusions added to the already blooming Labrador x Poodle cross lines. The developers of the breed sought out the best way in which to compliment the Australian Labradoodle breed, and to develop the qualities that we find and love in these dogs.

In 1997 the very first Australian Labradoodle
Breed Standard was written which reflected these goals. For more information about the current Australian Labradoodle Breed Standard go to the Breed Standard Page. The ALA publicly acknowledge and recognize at the ALA’s October 2004 Annual General Meeting the six different parent breeds used in the further development of the Australian Labradoodle.

The Confirmed and Approved Parent Breeds of the Australian Labradoodle are as follows:

Poodle (Standard, Miniature, Toy)
Labrador Retriever
Irish Water Spaniel
Curly Coat Retriever
American Cocker Spaniel
English Cocker Spaniel

The Irish Water Spaniel was the first non-Poodle/Labrador used in the development of the Australian Labradoodle.

The main goal of this Parent breed
infusion was to produce the rich chocolate colour in the Australian Labradoodle that you now see today without loosing the Allergy and Asthma friendly coat. The Curly Coat Retriever followed bringing back some of the “Retriever” qualities into the Australian Labradoodle.

While the Curley Coat Retriever
was able to bring in some positive “Retriever” qualities they also brought in some negative qualities such as the shorter hair on the face and muzzle of the dogs. In the Australian Labradoodle breed this trait has become known as an “Open Face”. Also noted, as a negative was aloofness, this trait is to be bred away from. The English and American Cocker Spaniel are the last recognized Parent Breeds of the Australian Labradoodle.

Their use with that of the miniature poodle
was to develop the miniature size (13-17 inches) in the Australian Labradoodle. The Cocker gave the miniature size the boning/stockiness that was being lost by managing the size purely with miniature poodles. The negatives that are now being bred away from are domed heads, long ears, and shedding coats.

These six Parent Breeds
are the ONLY approved Parent Breeds used in the development of the Australian Labradoodle to date. The ALA does not recognize any other parent breeds than those listed and used above. Any Australian Labradoodle infused with other Parent Breeds than those listed above will not be considered for registration. Parent Breed Infusion Committee: The ALA has assigned 5 ALA Accredited Breeders to a Committee for consideration and approval of Parent Breed Infusions.

NOTE: Any Australian Labradoodle past
the F3 generation bred back to a Parent Breed (other than the Poodle) the litter produced will revert back to an ALF3P(R/S) Australian Labradoodle in their grading. When and approved Parent Breed Infusion litter has been born you will then be required to submit front and side profile pictures for any offspring being left entire from the infusion to the ALA Parent Breed Infusion Committee for approval and addition as Foundation Breeding Stock in the Australian Labradoodle.

**MaxandMe** · 10-11-2007, 01:27 AM

LASTLY HERE IS THE LINKS TO

Additional Resources
For more information about the Labradoodle breed, including history, breed standards, and tips on selecting a breeder please visit the following sites.
International Association of Labradoodles
http://www.ilainc.com/index.html

Rutland Manor: Labradoodle Breeding and Research Center

Tegan Park: Labradoodle Breeding and Research Centre

LINK RIGHT NOW IS:

http://www.labradoodleasd.com/

annabelles mom · 10-11-2007, 02:23 AM

TY Annmarie - everything I have found says if you have a lab/poodle mix only that it is not an Austrailan Doodle, and that is what I get out of what you posted

You can have a Multi gen lab/poodle mix, but not Austrailan - will have to research more to see if anyone says anything about a lab/poodle only being austrailan

Thanks for all the info - facinating

I didnt know all these details when we got Annabelle - will be nice info to have if we get another, although I'd prob go with same breeder, AB is agood dog

10-11-2007, 08:45 AM

I may be a little slow on the uptake but if all these breeds of dogs are being bred into an Australian Labradoodle how is this breed ever going to be recognized by the AKC? I mean who really knows what is in the dog? Please don't get offended anyone but isn't better to just stick with two breeds? (ie lab and poodle) And then there is the case of my dog who is lab poodle and golden....... Hmm all to complicated for me!!! I just know that I love my dog and yes I paid a lot of money for a "mutt" as most people see it (not anyone on this site) but she has all the qualities I wanted in a dog so that is why I got her. I would like these dogs to become recognized by the AKC to stop getting the snide comments from others!!!!

lmtoth2 · 10-11-2007, 08:52 AM

I'm completely clueless about all of this. What is it called if you breed a F1 labradoodle to a F1 labradoodle? How about a F1B to a F1 or a F1B to a F1B?

One more - is there such a thing as an Australian goldendoodle??

**MaxandMe** · 10-11-2007, 10:28 AM

Bbzzzzzzzzzz Bbzzzzzzzzzzz Leslie opens the hornets nest to see what Annmarie was looking at hhahahaaaaaaa
or is that a

(was having a bit of fun, can you tell?)

NOW back to the regularly scheduled topic

LESLIE the answer should be YES

Doodlesville · 10-11-2007, 10:33 AM

LOL love the worms

Leslie it really depends on what breeder you talk to ,,on what they call them
personally i do not breed F1 labradoodle to F1 Labradoodle, defeats the whole purpose
multi gen is NOT aust labradoodle
I raised multi gens, that have nothing to do with aust labradoodles
technically anything past a f1b is a multi

in any case the issues are really not the doodles it is the breeders behind them, and the tactics some have used in the past ,,now thats all im gonna say or there will be real issues

(shut up Nancy,,,LOL)

debbildog · 10-11-2007, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doodlesville

LOL love the worms

Leslie it really depends on what breeder you talk to ,,on what they call them
personally i do not breed F1 labradoodle to F1 Labradoodle, defeats the whole purpose
multi gen is NOT aust labradoodle
I raised multi gens, that have nothing to do with aust labradoodles
technically anything past a f1b is a multi

in any case the issues are really not the doodles it is the breeders behind them, and the tactics some have used in the past ,,now thats all im gonna say or there will be real issues

(shut up Nancy,,,LOL)

Now you REALLY opened the can... what is the problem with F1 to F1? Please enlighten me... do so in a PM if you wish

Doodlesville · 10-11-2007, 11:05 AM

You breed f1 Labradoodle lab to poodle
to f1 labradoodle
you are doing the same exact mix as the first gen, breeding lab back in as much as breeding poodle
it defeats the whole purpose a non shedding doodle

Doodlesville · 10-11-2007, 11:07 AM

Kristen ,,i just LOVE that pic for your avatar, wow, it should be on a hallmark card, cute cute cute

10-11-2007, 11:07 AM

I would like to know why you don't breed and F1 to an F1? How does it defeat the purpose? Just wondering.....

And for opening a can of worms how about Maya's breed....an F1 labradoodle (mom) to an F1 goldendoodle (dad).

KingstonTodd · 10-11-2007, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doodlesville

You breed f1 Labradoodle lab to poodle
to f1 labradoodle
you are doing the same exact mix as the first gen, breeding lab back in as much as breeding poodle
it defeats the whole purpose a non shedding doodle

I understand breeding F1b for consistent coat....... But, how do you get a multi gen labradoodle that isnt 75+% poodle (ie not to much poodle in the doodle) without doing an F1 to F1 to get an F2. I would think this would give a lot of variability in the coat types, yes, but you should be able to get one F2 that is the coat type you desire and continue with that individual to get F3 and so on.....Just wondering if anyone does this, or are all multi gens desendents of F1b and not really and equal mix of lab and poodle, but rather mostly poodle with a dash of retriever for flavour.

Doodlesville · 10-11-2007, 11:28 AM

I never said a multi gen was less the f1b or higher if you would read my post,,im not sure how you gathered i did from it

a multi gen is technically anything higher then a F1b

lmtoth2 · 10-11-2007, 11:42 AM

ooooh...sorry I totally was not trying to start anything bad!!

I'll keep reading on this but will keep my mouth shut

10-11-2007, 01:20 AM	#31 (permalink)
MaxandMe Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Upstate, NY Posts: 15,103	OK this time i researched the internet again and again and again hahhaa here is the general consensus: "The Labradoodle story begins with Wally Conren, the head breeder of the Australian Guide Dog Association, who coined the name in 1989 when he bred a litter of Labrador Retriever - Standard Poodle cross pups. Pat Blum had lived with vision impairment for many years, but never could apply for a Guide Dog because of her husband's problem with allergies. Pat approached Wally and was overjoyed when the AGDA agreed to breed a litter of Labradoodle pups, hoping the Poodle cross would lessen the likelihood of an allergic reaction. Harley the Standard Poodle was bred to Brandy the Labrador Retriever and three pups, Sultan, Sheik and Simon were conceived. As Pat and her husband lived in Hawaii, fur samples of the 3 pups were sent to Pat at different ages. Sultan's coat was the only one that caused no problem at all. Sultan trained well as a Guide Dog and was united with Pat for the first time at eighteen months old. Labradoodles became very popular among the blind in Hawaii, and Wally has said that 29 of the first 31 Labradoodles he bred were successfully trained as Guide Dogs, although only one in ten were reliably allergy friendly. The Australian Guide Dog Association continues to breed one or two litters of Labradoodles a year due to their popularity. Dr. Kate Schoeffel, a friend of Wally Conren, is an honours geneticist and Vet in Condoblin, New South Wales, Australia. Kate was the first to breed pet Labradoodles, and still breeds miniature Labradoodles to this day. In the early 1990's two associated kennels in Australia, with a background in Spoodles (Australian for Cockapoos, a Cocker Spaniel - Poodle mix) began to breed Labradoodles to Labradoodles and Labradoodles to Poodles, breeding toward a consistently allergy friendly and nonshed dog. Other breeds were introduced into the mix as well. (The IALA is in the process of confirming the use of these purebreds) • Curly Coated Retriever - this didn't work out and these lines were abandoned • Irish Water Spaniel - two dogs were used in the program, one time each The other breeds successfully introduced to the program were Cocker Spaniels. • English Cocker Spaniel • American Cocker Spaniel THE SITE IS : http://www.goldendoodles.com/Resource/a ... doodle.htm __________________ *Annmarie, Max,& Peanut* "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." Anatole France uncondtional love: what a dog always does for us and humans strive to do but can we?

10-11-2007, 01:23 AM	#32 (permalink)
MaxandMe Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Upstate, NY Posts: 15,103	FROM the AUSTRALIAN LABRADOODLE ASSOCIATION (ALA) THE SITE IS http://www.laa.org.au/breeders-parentbreeds.htm THE PARENT BREEDS USED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE AUSTRALIAN LABRADOODLE AS KNOWN TODAY In mid 2004 it was announced that the Australian Labradoodle was not just a Labrador x Poodle cross but was a breed in its own right developed over many years with particular goals in mind. To accomplish these goals further development was done with parent breed infusions added to the already blooming Labrador x Poodle cross lines. The developers of the breed sought out the best way in which to compliment the Australian Labradoodle breed, and to develop the qualities that we find and love in these dogs. In 1997 the very first Australian Labradoodle Breed Standard was written which reflected these goals. For more information about the current Australian Labradoodle Breed Standard go to the Breed Standard Page. The ALA publicly acknowledge and recognize at the ALA’s October 2004 Annual General Meeting the six different parent breeds used in the further development of the Australian Labradoodle. The Confirmed and Approved Parent Breeds of the Australian Labradoodle are as follows: Poodle (Standard, Miniature, Toy) Labrador Retriever Irish Water Spaniel Curly Coat Retriever American Cocker Spaniel English Cocker Spaniel The Irish Water Spaniel was the first non-Poodle/Labrador used in the development of the Australian Labradoodle. The main goal of this Parent breed infusion was to produce the rich chocolate colour in the Australian Labradoodle that you now see today without loosing the Allergy and Asthma friendly coat. The Curly Coat Retriever followed bringing back some of the “Retriever” qualities into the Australian Labradoodle. While the Curley Coat Retriever was able to bring in some positive “Retriever” qualities they also brought in some negative qualities such as the shorter hair on the face and muzzle of the dogs. In the Australian Labradoodle breed this trait has become known as an “Open Face”. Also noted, as a negative was aloofness, this trait is to be bred away from. The English and American Cocker Spaniel are the last recognized Parent Breeds of the Australian Labradoodle. Their use with that of the miniature poodle was to develop the miniature size (13-17 inches) in the Australian Labradoodle. The Cocker gave the miniature size the boning/stockiness that was being lost by managing the size purely with miniature poodles. The negatives that are now being bred away from are domed heads, long ears, and shedding coats. These six Parent Breeds are the ONLY approved Parent Breeds used in the development of the Australian Labradoodle to date. The ALA does not recognize any other parent breeds than those listed and used above. Any Australian Labradoodle infused with other Parent Breeds than those listed above will not be considered for registration. Parent Breed Infusion Committee: The ALA has assigned 5 ALA Accredited Breeders to a Committee for consideration and approval of Parent Breed Infusions. NOTE: Any Australian Labradoodle past the F3 generation bred back to a Parent Breed (other than the Poodle) the litter produced will revert back to an ALF3P(R/S) Australian Labradoodle in their grading. When and approved Parent Breed Infusion litter has been born you will then be required to submit front and side profile pictures for any offspring being left entire from the infusion to the ALA Parent Breed Infusion Committee for approval and addition as Foundation Breeding Stock in the Australian Labradoodle. __________________ *Annmarie, Max,& Peanut* "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." Anatole France uncondtional love: what a dog always does for us and humans strive to do but can we?

10-11-2007, 01:27 AM	#33 (permalink)
MaxandMe Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Upstate, NY Posts: 15,103	LASTLY HERE IS THE LINKS TO Additional Resources For more information about the Labradoodle breed, including history, breed standards, and tips on selecting a breeder please visit the following sites. International Association of Labradoodles http://www.ilainc.com/index.html Rutland Manor: Labradoodle Breeding and Research Center Tegan Park: Labradoodle Breeding and Research Centre LINK RIGHT NOW IS: http://www.labradoodleasd.com/ __________________ *Annmarie, Max,& Peanut* "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." Anatole France uncondtional love: what a dog always does for us and humans strive to do but can we?

10-11-2007, 08:52 AM	#36 (permalink)
lmtoth2 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,920	I'm completely clueless about all of this. What is it called if you breed a F1 labradoodle to a F1 labradoodle? How about a F1B to a F1 or a F1B to a F1B? One more - is there such a thing as an Australian goldendoodle?? __________________ Leslie

10-11-2007, 10:28 AM	#37 (permalink)
MaxandMe Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Upstate, NY Posts: 15,103	Bbzzzzzzzzzz Bbzzzzzzzzzzz Leslie opens the hornets nest to see what Annmarie was looking at hhahahaaaaaaa or is that a (was having a bit of fun, can you tell?) NOW back to the regularly scheduled topic LESLIE the answer should be YES __________________ *Annmarie, Max,& Peanut* "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." Anatole France uncondtional love: what a dog always does for us and humans strive to do but can we?

10-11-2007, 02:23 AM	#34 (permalink)
annabelles mom Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: lkkkkkkkkkkkkk Posts: 6,837	TY Annmarie - everything I have found says if you have a lab/poodle mix only that it is not an Austrailan Doodle, and that is what I get out of what you posted You can have a Multi gen lab/poodle mix, but not Austrailan - will have to research more to see if anyone says anything about a lab/poodle only being austrailan Thanks for all the info - facinating I didnt know all these details when we got Annabelle - will be nice info to have if we get another, although I'd prob go with same breeder, AB is agood dog

10-11-2007, 08:45 AM	#35 (permalink)
Guest Posts: n/a	I may be a little slow on the uptake but if all these breeds of dogs are being bred into an Australian Labradoodle how is this breed ever going to be recognized by the AKC? I mean who really knows what is in the dog? Please don't get offended anyone but isn't better to just stick with two breeds? (ie lab and poodle) And then there is the case of my dog who is lab poodle and golden....... Hmm all to complicated for me!!! I just know that I love my dog and yes I paid a lot of money for a "mutt" as most people see it (not anyone on this site) but she has all the qualities I wanted in a dog so that is why I got her. I would like these dogs to become recognized by the AKC to stop getting the snide comments from others!!!!

10-11-2007, 10:33 AM	#38 (permalink)
Doodlesville Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: North Carolina/Virginia Posts: 2,740	LOL AnnMarie LOL love the worms Leslie it really depends on what breeder you talk to ,,on what they call them personally i do not breed F1 labradoodle to F1 Labradoodle, defeats the whole purpose multi gen is NOT aust labradoodle I raised multi gens, that have nothing to do with aust labradoodles technically anything past a f1b is a multi in any case the issues are really not the doodles it is the breeders behind them, and the tactics some have used in the past ,,now thats all im gonna say or there will be real issues (shut up Nancy,,,LOL)

10-11-2007, 11:05 AM	#40 (permalink)
Doodlesville Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: North Carolina/Virginia Posts: 2,740	Think about it You breed f1 Labradoodle lab to poodle to f1 labradoodle you are doing the same exact mix as the first gen, breeding lab back in as much as breeding poodle it defeats the whole purpose a non shedding doodle

10-11-2007, 11:07 AM	#41 (permalink)
Doodlesville Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: North Carolina/Virginia Posts: 2,740	PS Kristen ,,i just LOVE that pic for your avatar, wow, it should be on a hallmark card, cute cute cute

10-11-2007, 11:07 AM	#42 (permalink)
Guest Posts: n/a	I would like to know why you don't breed and F1 to an F1? How does it defeat the purpose? Just wondering..... And for opening a can of worms how about Maya's breed....an F1 labradoodle (mom) to an F1 goldendoodle (dad).

10-11-2007, 11:28 AM	#44 (permalink)
Doodlesville Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: North Carolina/Virginia Posts: 2,740	You dont I never said a multi gen was less the f1b or higher if you would read my post,,im not sure how you gathered i did from it a multi gen is technically anything higher then a F1b

10-11-2007, 11:42 AM	#45 (permalink)
lmtoth2 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,920	ooooh...sorry I totally was not trying to start anything bad!! I'll keep reading on this but will keep my mouth shut __________________ Leslie

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