OFA versus PENN HIP

[MaxandMe]

Ok I may be opening up a can of worms but I do HAVE to ask and would appreciate your input please

I understand OFA and Penn HIP and there are preferences for each
how about WHY? also one more, VETGEN vs PAWS site or other ones

here's a simple across the board statement

1.OFA you need to wait 2 years SO if i wanted a pre-lim for now

Then isn't Penn Hip a possible GOOD PRE-LIM test to do to SEE if a dog should be even considered to be breed? as you don't have to wait 2years.
YES some do it early as 6mos WHICH I would NOT DO and wait a bit more than that more like 10-12mos IF I DID Penn Hip

2. has anyone felt they got bad Penn Hip scores and better results with OFA? or does it factor on WHO does the testing/

and
3. Is VETGEN to be more reputable with DNA tests such as coat color?
and disease of affected, carrier or clear? Or are there other testing sites recommended?

I really do appreicate your input greatly....this is for comparison and reference sake NOT for any debates so on

also I would kindly return the favor

[gsmagoo2]

This is a quote from another forum where the same discussion took place.
Thought it might help

"OFA looks at how well or poorly the joint is formed or shaped (conformation). PennHIP looks at how tightly or loosely the ball is held into the joint (laxity). A joint can be well-formed but the parts fit together loosely (Good OFA, Bad PH), poorly formed but pretty tight (bad OFA but good PH....not commonly seen), or both well-formed and tight (good OFA and Good PH).

So OFA and PH look at completely different aspects of hip health and one doesn't replace the other."

Some breeders have found different readings from vetgen and Pawsitive ID, and have found that the Pawsitive ID has been correct. Others have found that they have both resulted the same.

[gsmagoo2]

OFA does prelims as well. Some breeders choose to use both testings as they seem to look at different things. A prelim as early as 7 months I don't really see anything wrong with that, more so if it's a male.

When doing Pawsitive ID....any questions that you have, you can contact Rick Dobbins by phone as well,,and he is great about getting back to you and answering any questions you might have. You can find the phone number on the website.

[gsmagoo2]

sorry about the typ in the subject line

[Maureen]

hey Trina, where's the thread about the generations? I appreciated your asking about them on the other forum so I wanted to correct my error in that thread but can't find it!

[MaxandMe]

HI and Thank YOU gsnagoo2 ...are you a breeder at present? just curious

i am talking about a male and want to do a pre-lim just that i go back and forth on the two. My Vet was leaving the decision up to me as he understands both

and i was curious to who uses what test and why

NOW pawsitive id vs vetgen same thing....though i do like idea that i can call someone

and I DO appreciate your help in this matter, thank you!!!
I have 3 doodles presently ....2 are fixed and the little RED guy is the one i am considering.

[gsmagoo2]

and have been doing tons of research,,that I should have done in the beginning.....but wasn't aware of everything, that I needed.....but I'm workin towards a much improved and better breeding program....

I believe this is where you'll find the ofa thread

http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion. ... on%20Forum

[MaxandMe]

you mean this one perhaps?

http://labradoodle-dogs.net/forums/view ... 8481#78481

[gsmagoo2]

Generations,,are confusing to me as well......I will look for the thread and post it here...

[gsmagoo2]

http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion. ... enerations

[gsmagoo2]

I sent both of you PM's.....

[Maureen]

Originally Posted by MaxandMe

you mean this one perhaps?

http://labradoodle-dogs.net/forums/view ... 8481#78481

that's the one!!! I had made an incorrect statement and I wanted to clarify it, based on the info posted in the link Trina sent

[MaxandMe]

and back to our regularly scheduled topic hahhhaaa

Come on, i know some other breeders have to have further comments or input?????? hello??????????? hahhaaa
any and all are appreciated

awfully LONELY out here by myself you know

[Lori2147]

I'm not a breeder, so I have no personal advice. I did find some pretty informative things on the web...

http://www.workingdogs.com/ofa_penn.htm

http://rrgsmd.com/OFA%20vs.%20PennHip.htm

http://www.canismajor.com/dog/pennhip1.html

http://www.fielddog.com/ftm/canine.htm

[amyg]

So it looks like on any given day a hip score could possibly come back different, depending on who is reading the x-ray. Also, a good OFA without a PennHip score does not necessarily mean that hip problems will not come up. The breeder I"m planning on getting my dog from is to provide me w/the hip scores of the father, which are 90% from what she told me. But the mother is just 2 yrs old, and has not been tested, and this is her first litter. What do I make of this? Are breeders supposed to wait until not only the dam is 2 yrs old, but also until she has received a good hip testing?